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Black Council "Recruitment" [GS Spoilers]
Paladino:
It makes sense, but such a White Court would be weak and not of much use for Cowl. I think after he faield he went for the if I cant have it nobody will..
Duke Blue:
--- Quote from: Serack on January 24, 2012, 05:08:01 PM ---So in thinking about topics like Lea, Christos, and Nic, I think I might have put a few things together... The main inspiration for my conclusions is how during the conversation between Nic and Harry before the Rumble at the Shedd, Nic/Andariel seemed genuinely concerned about Harry's account of Hellfire being used at Arctis Tor, and considers such a thing a "contamination" if it's a member of the "Order."
Contamination is the key word here. I am thinking that most of the “Black Council” operatives that Harry has a chance to interact with aren’t actually card carrying “members” but rather are contaminated somehow into doing things along the lines of what they want. Contaminated by what? Some kind of Outsider influence. Vittorio Malvora was flat out possessed by an outsider, but maybe the same is true for pretty much every operative we have come across… Others that are somehow contaminated, and possibly by outsiders (to some degree) would be… Aurora, Lea, Vittorio, and some more that deserve more elaboration…
Thorned Namshiel might have been contaminated, but I’m thinking that Tessa is actually the major vector there, and he was working on her orders.
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Since you have been talking so much about the contaminated line, I had to look it up. And then because the Shedd fight scene is so awesome I had to keep reading. That is when I noticed something wierd. After Tessa has captured Harry in the aquarium and is trying to get him to reveal where Ivy is, she says to him: "They say to give a man three chances to say no" (Small Favor Chapter 32). Now it may be just a coincidence but that immediately struck me as awefully similar to Cowl's: "Thrice will I ask and done" (Dead Beat Chapter 8) when he is asking Harry for Das Lied Der Erlking. I don't know if it has been mentioned before but if there is a connection between them, then it would certainly seem to support your theory.
cass:
I think the whole 'asking three times' bit is a tradition/ritual bit in the supernatural world. Doesn't Harry say that if you get a Faerie to say something/promise something three times they're bound by their word (and, of course, pissed with you for forcing them to it)? Three (and seven) are special numbers, at least in the European tradition. (And in my somewhat dumbed-down version of the 1001 Nights, and in my book of fairy tales from the ex-USSR countries) How many children/daughters are in Cinderella's household? How many times does the witch test Hansel's finger to see if he's fat enough? How many dwarves does Snow White encounter? (and so on.)
Serack:
There's no place like home...
yah, the 3 times thing is a recuring theme in old world stuffs.
Gman:
--- Quote from: cass on January 25, 2012, 03:44:15 PM ---I think the whole 'asking three times' bit is a tradition/ritual bit in the supernatural world. Doesn't Harry say that if you get a Faerie to say something/promise something three times they're bound by their word (and, of course, pissed with you for forcing them to it)? Three (and seven) are special numbers, at least in the European tradition. (And in my somewhat dumbed-down version of the 1001 Nights, and in my book of fairy tales from the ex-USSR countries) How many children/daughters are in Cinderella's household? How many times does the witch test Hansel's finger to see if he's fat enough? How many dwarves does Snow White encounter? (and so on.)
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Prime numbers do seem to have significance such as asking 3 times, 5 pointed star, 7 laws of magic, 13 max number of wizards doing a spell together etc.
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