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Why was Molly taken to Arctis Tor?
Serack:
P.S. could you link to that old topic please.
NVM, I found it, and it's now locked, so pulling quote code from it is impossible.
Serack:
Boohyah
I found the Topic that jman101 was referring to. It's probably the best original theory posted in the past year or so IMO.
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,26853.msg1143979.html#msg1143979
I've gotta go archive it on my hard drive!
Mira:
I think it was a possible ploy by Mab to get Harry to witness what happened at Arctis Tor and report back to the Council about the use of Hell Fire etc. I also think that Summer may have also played a part in it, I think that both Summer and Winter do not want the Denarians messing around in their affairs.
Starshine:
--- Quote from: Serack on January 23, 2012, 04:06:33 PM ---Boohyah
I found the Topic that jman101 was referring to. It's probably the best original theory posted in the past year or so IMO.
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I see - so this idea was originally Knnn's? Well, whoever first came up with it - kudos to you - I think it's great - it explains so much and it all hangs together.
Other things also click in place to support Knnn's theory - the link with the homeless shelter, Molly originally going to meet Crane. None of this did I pick up when I read it, but once it's pointed out - it all makes sense and it's really clear.
I also like Knnn's idea of Molly being an Outsider-bane. Yet another reason the BC would want her. And why they'd go to any lengths to stop her becoming WC.
A corollary of this theory would be that the Gatekeeper, while he might have his own agenda in all this, can't be a part of the BC. If he was, he never would have warned Harry there was black magic in Chicago. Maybe he's not Grey Council, but in his own way he's opposing the BC too.
One more thought - someone in that thread you quoted asked why Mab would have sent all her troops to Summer's borders if she thought BC were planning to attack Arctis Tor. IMO Mab wanted to know who her enemies were. The BC has always been rather anonymous/nebulous - working in the shadows. I think Mab wanted to put faces to them so she'd know exactly who to destroy. So she took something they really wanted [Molly] and sent her army away to entice the BC [or at least some of them] to come out in the open for once. It worked to some extent - we know one of the Denarians showed up - he must be one of the major players. And know she'll know who he is.
I dont think this gamble was as dangerous as it might at first appear. Others have pointed out - [1] Arctis Tor was her home and the seat of her power - very unlikely any enemy would have the power to defeat her there and [2] she could have recalled her army in a flash if it proved necessary [which apparently it didnt].
I just love this theory - it explains so much. So Knnn - take a bow!
Serack:
--- Quote from: Starshine on January 24, 2012, 09:00:11 AM ---I also like Knnn's idea of Molly being an Outsider-bane. Yet another reason the BC would want her. And why they'd go to any lengths to stop her becoming WC.
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My reply in that topic at #11 includes the WoJ that we have on the likely hood of other outsiderbanes other than Harry, and it doesn't strongly support this idea.
--- Quote ---A corollary of this theory would be that the Gatekeeper, while he might have his own agenda in all this, can't be a part of the BC. If he was, he never would have warned Harry there was black magic in Chicago. Maybe he's not Grey Council, but in his own way he's opposing the BC too.
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Something that doesn't get tossed around here too often (well maybe in other words, by neurovore), but I kinda doubt it's as simple as White Council, Grey, council, and Black Council. There's bound to be opposing goals within any conspiracy in the background. Although they might never be fleshed out, who knows.
--- Quote ---One more thought - someone in that thread you quoted asked why Mab would have sent all her troops to Summer's borders if she thought BC were planning to attack Arctis Tor. IMO Mab wanted to know who her enemies were. The BC has always been rather anonymous/nebulous - working in the shadows. I think Mab wanted to put faces to them so she'd know exactly who to destroy. So she took something they really wanted [Molly] and sent her army away to entice the BC [or at least some of them] to come out in the open for once. It worked to some extent - we know one of the Denarians showed up - he must be one of the major players. And know she'll know who he is.
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The longs standing theory WRT to Mab's motivations for keeping her armies at the boarders is that she is stuck in some kind of bargain with some members of the "Black Council" that she managed to work around by using Harry as a proxy when she dragging Molly to Arctis Tor. knnn's Theory is kind of a fleshing out/alternate explanation of that longer standing theory.
--- Quote ---I dont think this gamble was as dangerous as it might at first appear. Others have pointed out - [1] Arctis Tor was her home and the seat of her power - very unlikely any enemy would have the power to defeat her there and [2] she could have recalled her army in a flash if it proved necessary [which apparently it didnt].
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The DFRPG is not quite cannon, but more like if someone from the boards got to sit in Billy's head and write out all the theories while getting to ask Harry for reluctant opinions on them, but in one of the books for the RPG is a sort of power level structure of something like seven tiers. The first 3 tiers were what I payed attention to and they go something like this.
* Rarified power level that doesn't act much nowadays including TWG
* Archangels, Lucifer, the "Mothers"
* The "Queens," Ferrovax, the Erlking...
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