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The truth about Fitz
Mira:
Okay, I am late to this thread, yeah, Fitz means bastard.. Jim says he is cursed? He also says that he most likely won't use him anymore as a character? Huh? ???
Don't buy that, but where did all the wolf speculation come from? There are all kinds of curses.
Warden John Marcone:
The wolf speculation comes from:
A) Tera West was supposed to be in GS
B) A lot was done through proxies
C) MacFinn's curse can't die, but he didn't have a kid (that we knew of)
D) Fitz's skin was dark, almost bronze, like native american dark
E) Fitz's hair was red, like an Irishman's
F) Fitz's eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's
G) Fitz is Cursed
Taken together, it seems to point to Fitz being the result of Tera West and Harley MacFinn
Mira:
--- Quote from: Warden John Marcone on September 08, 2011, 11:40:12 PM ---The wolf speculation comes from:
A) Tera West was supposed to be in GS
B) A lot was done through proxies
C) MacFinn's curse can't die, but he didn't have a kid (that we knew of)
D) Fitz's skin was dark, almost bronze, like native american dark
E) Fitz's hair was red, like an Irishman's
F) Fitz's eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's
G) Fitz is Cursed
Taken together, it seems to point to Fitz being the result of Tera West and Harley MacFinn
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But Tera West wasn't in Ghost Story, or at least I do not remember reading about her.
Yeah, but the proxies mentioned where Mab, Lea, Demonreach, maybe Uriel. Nothing mentioned about Tera West.
If MacFinn died, then either his nearest relative caught it, God wouldn't that be terrible? Or the curse died with him. The curse was on his family, when his family died it would die with them. No evidence that Terra West had a litter of puppies.
Fitz's skin is dark.. Well, he could be Hispanic, Italian, half AfroAmerican, Middle Eastern, Micronesian, and any other combination that produces darker skin, East Indian...
Fitz's hair is red like an Irishman.. There are red haired people in my family, we are Danish. There is a famous Viking named Eric the Red, because of his red hair, lots of Englishmen have red hair.
His eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's? Lots of people have that eye color.
Fitz is cursed.. Okay, WOJ on that one, but he also said Fitz in more books not likely.. So why say anything at all? However there are more curses under the sun than you can shake a stick at, stay tuned.. You could be right, or just jumping to conclusions.
Vairelome:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2011, 02:20:56 AM ---His eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's? Lots of people have that eye color.
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Lots of people in the Dresden Files are specifically described as having golden eyes? Both Tera West and Fitz are.
Also, one of the conditions of the Loup-Garou curse was that MacFinn's line would not die out until the End of Days.
There are a number of thematic links that make the association quite plausible, beyond the list of associations WJM listed. Fitz' behavior, both with Baldy and the group of kids in his gang, has strong overtones of the stereotypical "how a wolf in human skin would act."
Warden John Marcone:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2011, 02:20:56 AM --- But Tera West wasn't in Ghost Story, or at least I do not remember reading about her.
Yeah, but the proxies mentioned where Mab, Lea, Demonreach, maybe Uriel. Nothing mentioned about Tera West.
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No, Tera West wasn't in GS, but if somebody has a complete list of all the proxies that appeared in GS I'd like to see it. Yes, Mab and Demonreach had obvious proxies, but I sincerely doubt they were the only ones. I think it's possible, and even probable, that Fitz was a proxy for somebody. As Tera was SUPPOSED to be in GS, per WoJ, I think it's a fair guess as any, and the theory I'm going with.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2011, 02:20:56 AM --- If MacFinn died, then either his nearest relative caught it, God wouldn't that be terrible? Or the curse died with him. The curse was on his family, when his family died it would die with them. No evidence that Terra West had a litter of puppies.
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MacFinn did die, and his curse passed on, but correct me if I'm wrong but there's a difference between Families and Lines. A Family can branch out and expand, but a Line is one straight thread, and MacFinn's line can't die out according the the legend. Also, pragmatism now enters my wild guessing. If I was cursed to become a monster, and I HAD to pass it on, I'd make DAMN sure I forced that on as few people as possible, so it's plausible that he didn't HAVE any relatives, due to his father, grandfather, etc, only having one child each. Besides, there was no evidence that Harry had a child either, until Changes. Only a romantic scene between Harry and Susan. So no, there's no evidence Tera had pups/cubs/babies/children, but there's plenty to imply it, starting with the curse that says the line won't end.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2011, 02:20:56 AM --- Fitz's skin is dark.. Well, he could be Hispanic, Italian, half AfroAmerican, Middle Eastern, Micronesian, and any other combination that produces darker skin, East Indian...
Fitz's hair is red like an Irishman.. There are red haired people in my family, we are Danish. There is a famous Viking named Eric the Red, because of his red hair, lots of Englishmen have red hair.
His eyes are roughly the color of Tera West's? Lots of people have that eye color.
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Ah, yes, Eric the Red, pilager extrordinare, father of Lief Ericson who discovered Greenland, if I remember right.
I'll need to double-check, but I think it's stated that Fitz's skin Native American dark, which is distinctive from Indian, Hispanic, and the like.
Yes, red hair is very common among the Scandinavians, but they settled in Ireland, Scotland, etc, and today it's seen as a distinctive Irish feature.
Yes, many have that eye color, butonly two are explicitly stated to have that eye color.
Jim's a lazy writer, as he's stated multiple times, so if he gives details like that, it's the sort of thing to take at face value.
--- Quote from: Mira on September 09, 2011, 02:20:56 AM --- Fitz is cursed.. Okay, WOJ on that one, but he also said Fitz in more books not likely.. So why say anything at all? However there are more curses under the sun than you can shake a stick at, stay tuned.. You could be right, or just jumping to conclusions.
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True, I could be jumping to conclusions, but Butters was also supposed to be a one-shot character, and look how that turned out. Vince Graver from TC was a one shot, there was TONS of speculation about him. I've seen three references to Chauncy in this thread alone, and he was a one shot from ages ago. Why say anything about him? Because it's fun. And as to the curses, I think Sir Stu said dogs could see and hear ghosts, so maybe a half-wolf could only get half the gift, in this case hearing only.
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