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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**

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john4200:
A live Denarian can do most things a human can do, and more, of course, depending on their special powers. Nicodemus could turn into a shadow and move around as a shadow. If he is still alive, I think he is a top candidate for the whisperer. Although, thinking about it again now, I wonder how any Denarian could get into the church with their powers intact. As you say, Uriel never confirmed it was a Denarian. Or maybe it was in Harry's head? Some remnant of Lasciel's shadow that wasn't totally converted by Harry?

SeptimusKiller:

--- Quote from: BadHumours on July 27, 2011, 08:28:39 PM ---Hi, everyone, first post.

With regard to Uriel's seven words: Uriel says that Mab is lying, but we know she is incapable of lying (Mr. Butcher thoughtfully wrote us a scene in this very book in which Dresden reminds us of this). On the other hand, nowhere is it said the Uriel is incapable of lying. He certainly seems to find it distasteful, but presumably he is capable of it, especially when issues of cosmic balance are involved.

The Fallen sent Harry along one path with a seven word* lie. It seems logical that Uriel would think it fitting to give him back his free will with another (a white lie in this case, and one that gives Harry the, perhaps misguided, courage to stand up to Mab). Bottom line: Harry is wrong. Mab has more control over him than he thinks she does.

*-Btw, anyone else excited over what is, to me at least, clearly an homage to Rothfuss?

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Mab cannot intentionally lie. She can say something out  of ignorance. Plus she probably has bullied the majority of her knights.

omfgitsbacon:

--- Quote from: jphendren on July 27, 2011, 07:49:58 PM ---I don't think anyone has attempted to dispute that fact, not do i disagree that the fallen whispering to him was ultimately responsible for him attempting to end his own life. What I take umbrage at is the fact that he USED molly to further those ends. Sure the fallen may have convinced him that he had to kill himself to protect those he loved, but I certainly doubt that it told him he had to involve Molly to the extent of being completely complicit in the death of the man she loves most in the world. She flat out told him "do you know what this is going to do to me?" in terms of destroying her heart, and he forged on ahead sure of the righteous nature of his actions.

Let's be sure of one thing here, i'm not saying that this has destroyed my faith in Harry, quite the contrary. It's made him seem even more human, more relatable, as he has F'd up huge here. But it's still, by far, leaps and bounds worse than anything he has consciously chosen to do in the series so far, and to do it to someone that he loves makes it worse still.

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I agree it makes him more human, but concerning children Harry is willing to sacrifice other people's happiness, similar to when the Archive was kidnapped by the Denarians. He said he had to sacrifice Michael's dream to save her. Let alone this is HIS child were talking about here surrounded by the entire Red Court. Another point of note is I feel that he firmly establishes (or tries too) that his relationship with Molly is just that of mentor and apprentice. I must point out that Harry is extremely clueless and forgetful about how women view him (Luscio and Molly situations)
^ i wanted to point that out.
I disagree with that being his ultimate conscious choice, what he did to Michael and placing his life in jeopardy takes the worst choice in my book.

kellys91:
Another masterpiece by Mr. Butcher!
The one thought I had that I haven't seen mentioned yet...is Daniel being groomed for the sword. I know this may be a bit too obvious, but it is a thought.

flamingmonkey----:

--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on July 28, 2011, 01:25:43 AM --- Guys, Do you think the fomor sign the unceli accords? I think not but I cannot confirm it.
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Even Hand, the short story in Dark and Stormy Knights (click to show/hide)describes a dispute between Marcone and a Cantrev Lord of the Formor.  The short story suggests that the Formor are a signatory.

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