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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Oirthir:
It's a little odd really that Harry could have killed a council warden in a straight up duel come to think of it. HWCB according to bob went in against Harry at that time to start weaponizing him, maybe DuMorne was continuing the process along, or maybe something else had taken DuMorne the way DuMorne took Elaine.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Oirthir on April 16, 2012, 10:16:05 AM ---It's a little odd really that Harry could have killed a council warden in a straight up duel come to think of it. HWCB according to bob went in against Harry at that time to start weaponizing him, maybe DuMorne was continuing the process along, or maybe something else had taken DuMorne the way DuMorne took Elaine.
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Not that odd really, Harry probably had a massive power advantage, foci (Justin probably didn't carry his around 24/7) and a lot of anger to back him up, its not unlikely these all combined to give Harry victory over Justin.
KurtinStGeorge:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on April 16, 2012, 10:24:24 AM ---Not that odd really, Harry probably had a massive power advantage, foci (Justin probably didn't carry his around 24/7) and a lot of anger to back him up, its not unlikely these all combined to give Harry victory over Justin.
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I agree with all of the above. I would add that it is not unlikely that Justin underestimated Harry as well. Justin probably had a good idea of Harry's potential, but how could he have known that the scared sixteen year old who had just ran away from him would roast HWWB at the gas station; if it was Justin that sent the demon, and make a deal with the Leanansidhe, which gave Harry the confidence to take on his teacher.
Mr. Death:
If the images in Welcome to the Jungle are anything to go by (they may not, since GS puts it in the house, while WTTJ is in an open field), Justin had his staff at least.
It's more likely a combination of a couple things, including that Justin underestimated Harry's strength and ability, as well as his ability to withstand pain, and Justin wasn't trying to kill Harry, but subdue him to then enthrall him.
I imagine killing with magic is easier than nonlethally subduing someone with magic.
Thork:
Question on the very end:
Did Mab lie to Harry?
I missed this on my first readthrough, but on re-read, Mab says
--- Quote ---Mab’s eyes snapped to Demonreach. “I have his oath, ancient one. What he has given is mine by right, and you may not gainsay it. He is mine to shape as I please.” “Dammit,” I said tiredly. “Dammit.” And a voice—a very calm, very gentle, very rational voice whispered in my ear, “Lies. Mab cannot change who you are.”
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It's easy to get distracted by that because it's right at the end of the book, but wait a second: Uriel just said that a statement of Mab was "lies." Mab can't lie! Did Mab just lie? What the hell is going on here?
I think the actual explanation is that Uriel is playing a subtle game, and Mab's more speaking the truth as she believes it/sees it/shades it than outright "speaking a word that is not true" in the Robert Jordan Aes Sedai sense. But is it possible Mab's breaking the rules here somehow, and outright lying? (click to show/hide)Oh God Mab is Black Ajah
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