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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
WhoWalksBehind:
--- Quote from: huangjimmy108 on September 01, 2011, 09:20:33 AM ---I personally thinks that Harry is a rather lazy wizard. He would not push himself to greater heights of power. Either because he is under-motivated or because he is afraid to have that much power. He only makes significant improvement after: his girlfriend becomes half turn, His house got busted a couple of times, he nearly died several times, being dragoon into joining the warden and when his daughter got captured. Things like that. He could do it if he makes the effort, but he does not seem to be a self motivated guy when it comes to magical achievement.
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Wow.. really? Not being self motivated is not Harry's tragic flaw!
Harry said, "there are things you can't walk away from. Not if you want to live with yourself afterward." So he gets involved in things he has no business getting involved with. Which usually culminates into him going up against things that should wipe the floor with him, but because of his drive to protect his friends/family he develops more and more power to defeat them.
In no way did I ever say to myself, "Wow he really is a lazy wizard and needs to get more involved." If anything his tragic flaw is that he cares too much and takes on other's problems too quickly. He throws himself at them to save the ones he loves and God have mercy on anything that gets in his way!
Yes he does get invovled because others are in trouble, but no he doesn't just do it for them. He does it because he can not sit idle while others are being trod upon. He does it for himself as much as he does it for others.
He knows that there are prices to pay for his choices and he accepts them, knowing that it will be him that pays the price and not someone else. He has done that over and over again.
You obviously love these books as much as I do or you would not be on this message board, but stop and think before you post tripe like that again.
kalten:
How about this theory? I think Cowl is Kemmler. After reading GS, especially where Corpsetaker drags Butter's spirit out of his body and takes it over. I think that Kemmler did the same thing with DuMorne at the fight where his death supposedly 'took'. I believe he either switched bodies with DuMorne right before or right after he died, which would explain how one of the wardens all of a sudden turned warlock, as well as how he got Bob - he knew what the skull was to begin with, so he made sure he took it with him.
After dresden killed dumorne/kemmler (haven't figured that part out yet) he simply bided his time until he could come back the way Corpsetaker was attempting to do in GS.
mstorer3772:
--- Quote from: kalten on September 02, 2011, 07:49:52 PM ---How about this theory? I think Cowl is Kemmler. After reading GS, especially where Corpsetaker drags Butter's spirit out of his body and takes it over. I think that Kemmler did the same thing with DuMorne at the fight where his death supposedly 'took'. I believe he either switched bodies with DuMorne right before or right after he died, which would explain how one of the wardens all of a sudden turned warlock, as well as how he got Bob - he knew what the skull was to begin with, so he made sure he took it with him.
After dresden killed dumorne/kemmler (haven't figured that part out yet) he simply bided his time until he could come back the way Corpsetaker was attempting to do in GS.
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I LIKE it. Horrifying, but I like it.
If true, I suspect that both Dumorne/Kemmler and HWWB threw their fights and faked their deaths. HWWB was pretty obvious. He fell into some flames. Harry never went looking for a body.
It would not only explain how DuMorne got Bob, but why he wasn't Torn Limb From (mental) Limb the way Harry almost was when Bob accessed his memories associated with Kemmler.
So that begs the question: WHY did HWWB (and Kemmler/DuMorne) throw their fights? What is it that they want Harry At Large for?
I suspect we won't find the answers to that for a few more books.
huangjimmy108:
--- Quote from: WhoWalksBehind on September 02, 2011, 04:33:20 PM ---Wow.. really? Not being self motivated is not Harry's tragic flaw!
Harry said, "there are things you can't walk away from. Not if you want to live with yourself afterward." So he gets involved in things he has no business getting involved with. Which usually culminates into him going up against things that should wipe the floor with him, but because of his drive to protect his friends/family he develops more and more power to defeat them.
In no way did I ever say to myself, "Wow he really is a lazy wizard and needs to get more involved." If anything his tragic flaw is that he cares too much and takes on other's problems too quickly. He throws himself at them to save the ones he loves and God have mercy on anything that gets in his way!
Yes he does get invovled because others are in trouble, but no he doesn't just do it for them. He does it because he can not sit idle while others are being trod upon. He does it for himself as much as he does it for others.
He knows that there are prices to pay for his choices and he accepts them, knowing that it will be him that pays the price and not someone else. He has done that over and over again.
You obviously love these books as much as I do or you would not be on this message board, but stop and think before you post tripe like that again.
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First, I did say that it is what I think personally.
Secondly, I say he is lazy in terms of magical achievement only. I really think he could have put wards on his home at least after a demon trash his apartment in Storm front. But no, he have to wait until he started a war with the vampire first and according to the book he only started to put serius wards there after an attempt have been made for his life. As though the vampire would ignore the wizard who started the war in the first place!
He probably could have make that armored coat earlier, Maybe he would need more time and effort to make it so, but he could probably done it. I mean, only one year have pass since Death mask the last time the coat haven't been spelled. That coat was Susan's last significant gift and he just put those protection after Anna Valmont stole and return it to him.
I do not mean to imply that Harry is uncaring, As you correctly stated above, he is very, very caring. But still. He got Bob for crying out loud. and you want me to believe that he can't do those things before hand?
Sunburned White Court:
--- Quote from: mstorer3772 on September 02, 2011, 09:18:30 PM ---I LIKE it. Horrifying, but I like it.
If true, I suspect that both Dumorne/Kemmler and HWWB threw their fights and faked their deaths. HWWB was pretty obvious. He fell into some flames. Harry never went looking for a body.
It would not only explain how DuMorne got Bob, but why he wasn't Torn Limb From (mental) Limb the way Harry almost was when Bob accessed his memories associated with Kemmler.
So that begs the question: WHY did HWWB (and Kemmler/DuMorne) throw their fights? What is it that they want Harry At Large for?
I suspect we won't find the answers to that for a few more books.
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Oh my. gosh. FABULOUS. I love the theories!!! Hmm... well, maybe HWWB enjoys the power of knowing he can really throw Harry for a loop sometime/manipulate him against others in the evil realms to wipe out his opponents. Rather a lame theory if I'm allowed to criticise myself given the fact that he couldn't necessarily TRULY know how Harry would turn out. this also does, however, make me wonder if possibly Kemmler/DuMorne was controlling HWWB and using him to draw out Harry's power and prowess and train him by making him fight. It certainly would fit with K/DM's training methods, and perhaps K/DM was still hoping to turn him at some point (a possibly more valid, albeit outlandish theory)
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