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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
Jared:
--- Quote from: LogicMouseLives on July 31, 2011, 07:06:40 PM ---Well,
1) She almost always showed up as a separate entity when they were talking (any time it wouldn't be too much of a distraction for him), and the flashback Uriel was showing him is certainly not likely to be precisely representative of what a person standing there at the time would have seen. She's 'perceived' as an outside force, for the sake of being perceived at all.
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That's reasonable.
--- Quote from: LogicMouseLives on July 31, 2011, 07:06:40 PM ---2) I think you missed some of the point of this bit of my comment:
I think (based more on cryptic comments from Jim than anything in the books to date) that Lash did survive in some form, but she may very well not be present in the same manner, or her voice (if she even has one at this point) might not have the power to properly balance the dark-Lash's comments.
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I got your point, my response just wasn't clear. I was pushing against the Lies whisper being Uriel. If Lash is still a bit around and on Uriel's side, why couldn't she be the whisperer? Power-schmower, I'm not sure that's necessary for an explicit whisper whose sole purpose isn't to influence, but to remind.
But, if you do want power, I'd remind you what Uriel said to Stu in his job offer. Uriel can take the ruins of a spirit and build on it. I'd need to go back to what Uriel said about Lash's biting-of-the-bullet, but what if enough of that survived for Uriel to build on? [Partial </crazytalk> tag here.]
--- Quote from: LogicMouseLives on July 31, 2011, 07:06:40 PM ---Or maybe Uriel just wanted to do it hands on, because he sort of promised Harry that he would.
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That's a big maybe. <broken record>And given everything else in this series, it seems too easy.</broken record>
Oooh, thought just occurred to me. If Uriel had Lash do it, then Lucifer has to do one of two things: 1) acknowledge the possibility of redemption and that Lash is back in God's fold, or 2) assert that Lash is not working with Uriel, which would still leave Uriel with a seven-word whisper. Uriel wins either way.
--- Quote from: LogicMouseLives on July 31, 2011, 07:06:40 PM ---Hmm. So the mystery remains.
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Can we get this to be the motto of the DF Spoilers board?
john4200:
--- Quote from: Kilroy on July 31, 2011, 10:19:07 AM ---You got me the on the whole Justine thing tho.... I think Jim cheated on that one just to give Thomas a booty call.
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No, Jim did not cheat. It was all set up several books ago. I do suspect Jim just thought of the consequences, though. I have been wondering why Thomas and Justine did not do something like this ever since White Knight, when Lara was surprised that Harry had not had sex with anyone since Susan, so he was still protected.
dantesparadise:
--- Quote from: john4200 on July 31, 2011, 08:59:31 PM ---No, Jim did not cheat. It was all set up several books ago. I do suspect Jim just thought of the consequences, though. I have been wondering why Thomas and Justine did not do something like this ever since White Knight, when Lara was surprised that Harry had not had sex with anyone since Susan, so he was still protected.
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To hop on a little here it seems to me that this would absolutely work because if I understand correctly in TC Madeline Raith suggest that if Justine made a conscious choice to sleep with some else then that protection would wane hence allowing Madeline to feed on Justine. There was no indication that the love would die just that last touch on Justine would not be from the person she loved. So if the last touch on her is not that of her love then Thomas should be able to touch her to even though that would put the protection back she would be temporarily "cleansed" of it.
LogicMouseLives:
--- Quote from: Jared on July 31, 2011, 07:35:53 PM ---But, if you do want power, I'd remind you what Uriel said to Stu in his job offer. Uriel can take the ruins of a spirit and build on it. I'd need to go back to what Uriel said about Lash's biting-of-the-bullet, but what if enough of that survived for Uriel to build on? [Partial </crazytalk> tag here.]
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That doesn't really sound crazy at all at this point. Jim has said at different times that "Lasciel's story is not over," and "Lash's story is not over." There's even an as-yet unsubstantiated rumor that at one of the signings this week Jim confirmed that the "Parasite" in the final chapter is Lash. I won't be taking that for a fact until I hear or see a clip of him saying it for myself, but a lot of folks here have speculated the same thing.
--- Quote ---Can we get this to be the motto of the DF Spoilers board?
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I think it already is, unofficially. ;)
LML
Lord Kasavin:
--- Quote from: Ashen0DarkFyre on July 31, 2011, 06:35:47 PM ---One question.
Who hired Stevie D, the pistols gunman who almost offs Butters in Changes?
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Minor Changes Spoilers Follow
While I don't think this has been answered "for realz," the likeliest suspect was the Eebs. Remember, old Red Court Vampires can take on different flesh masks, and thus Esmerelda might be able to look like Susan.
Thus, fake Susan hires gunman, can't be traced back to the Eebs, and if Harry successfully interrogates the gunmen, it creates discord and distrust in his camp.
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