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Ghost Story Book Club - Chapters 46-FINISH **MAJOR SPOILERS**
ali.jubilee:
If the shadow was not lasciel, I would be curious to know how it got into the church... Can fallen enter holy found with impunity?
Taylor0401:
The only time I recall there being any mention of whether or not the Fallen can enter the church is when Lash says that they choose not to because being that close to God reminds them of what they no longer have and it makes them sad. That being said, I find it hard to believe that one could just walk in and mess with people though. I feel like there's something we're missing here or maybe something that Jim just has up his sleeve in the way of an explanation for who this Fallen might be.
omfgitsbacon:
Hmm is it possible to have a Fallen possess or cooperate with a human being? without being a considered a Denarian?
Taylor0401:
Yeah, but I remember saying something earlier about how if that were the case then wouldn't the fact that the Fallen acted with a mortal proxy make the whole thing not count as "cheating" the way Uriel defines it?
Goblynpunk:
--- Quote from: Taylor0401 on July 28, 2011, 10:25:43 AM ---I don't remember this... what exactly are you referring to?
And the Denarians are not free willed beings. Only the people possessing the coins still have free will. The Fallen themselves are still technically Angels and subsequently have never been given free will.
--- End quote ---
You mean the Fallen didn't choose to Fall? In that case, they're not The Fallen...they are The Pushed.
Even Lash had free will. She chose to burn herself out to save Harry, rather than let Harry die. I can't see how a shadow of a Fallen can have more free will than the Fallen itself.
What I was driving at is the fact that the Nickelheads have a countering agent...The KNights of the Cross. When the Nickelheads begin raising Hell, The Knights (not the Archangels) step in to counter them. It seems to me, for Uriel to be allowed to step in and intervene, then something more powerful than Nicodemus and his crew must be breaking the rules.
Besides, those thirty fallen angels are all bound within coins. None of them could leave the coin to whisper in Harry's ear. So you're looking at a fallen angel that *isn't* trapped within a coin.
Yep...my money is on Old Scratch, himself.
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