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Demonreach, the Holy People, and Outsiders
Sm0kEyNy:
^^ thats really really good perhaps harrys Sanctum Invocation sorta rebooted the runes an whatever their purpose is *hats off*
King Ash:
My guess on why it blocked shagnasty and not the denarians is that the fallen are locked inside of a human, while shagnasty is a purely supernatural being. So in this case I think the human part protected the denarians from the wards.
I believe that the wards were placed on the tower after it was built as I find it unlikely that if they were put on another structure then broken apart and rebuilt somewhere else that they would still work.
Orbweaver:
--- Quote from: AcornArmy on July 17, 2011, 04:39:44 PM ---The runes blocked Shagnasty, but not the Denarians, Harry, the Archive, or the normal humans. The Denarians were probably as bad in intention as Shagnasty was, and the Fallen were probably at least in Shagnasty's league of power, if not beyond. Maybe the runes only block supernatural creeps who don't have souls?
The Warden question came up again in the Pre-GS thread, too, and it was noted that while the Warden apparently had something to do with preventing Shagnasty from using the Nevernever to travel to the island, the two human-seeming people were able to do so, and they were able to bring fae creatures through with them.
Two possible explanations for this come to my mind: First, that whatever is blocking Shagnasty from using the Nevernever, fae creatures are exempt from it. Or second, that once a portal is opened, any creature can pass through, even those who would be blocked from entering on their own.
If the second explanation is true, then the same magic which empowers the runes on the cottage and the tower may be what is blocking entrance onto Demonreach from the Nevernever. The wards around the island might prevent anyone who doesn't have a soul from entering the cottage or the tower, or from even opening a portal onto Demonreach from the Nevernever. Very human-centric magic. And maybe good for Harry, defense-wise, if he decides to move out there.
Still, I think this is only one of many equally likely possibilities.
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Are we certain the Skinwalker is soulless? I think Bob only stated that it has no need for gender. It certainly seemed well acquainted with what Soulfire was capable of, and of its origins. I'll grant that knowledge of it doesn't necessarily imply that the Skinwalker has a soul.
Jim has stated that the Skinwalker boasts a form of intellectus in the Shagnasty section of the WOJ thread. Here's the relevant part of the quote:
"Q: How and why did the skinwalker take Thomas?
A: Thomas was distracted by Binder’s minions and the skinwalker saw the opportunity. It knew that Thomas is important to Harry, but not necessarily that Thomas is Harry’s brother. The skinwalker exists in more than one dimension at a time and it has its own kind of intellectus when it comes to evil – it knows what will hurt you and scare you, even though it may not really know why."
DemonReach is also a spirit, and also has access to a form of intellectus. There is a metaphysical component to the Skinwalker, though whether a spirit or soul is attached isn't clearly defined. There is also the physical and mental effect it had on Harry when Dresden viewed it with his Sight to consider.
peregrine:
Given something someone (either Bob or Harry, maybe Thomas) said about love, sex, making a whole new soul from the merging of two souls, and how powerful it is, I would think that souls might be needed for reproduction. So something genderless, something that doesn't procreate, would have no soul.
This is, of course, probably entirely unsupported and even contraindicated by the rest of the series though.
Orbweaver:
--- Quote from: peregrine on July 18, 2011, 03:11:03 AM ---Given something someone (either Bob or Harry, maybe Thomas) said about love, sex, making a whole new soul from the merging of two souls, and how powerful it is, I would think that souls might be needed for reproduction. So something genderless, something that doesn't procreate, would have no soul.
This is, of course, probably entirely unsupported and even contraindicated by the rest of the series though.
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Shaggy's origins are a bit of a mystery at this point. Presumably, he entered reality by the same means as every other Holy Person did. We do have one other example of someone who entered the world without the "parents" having relations, given the Swords that are in play.
And I'm'a shut up now before I hit a very TT with a question about whether that guy had a soul.
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