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Crinisen:

--- Quote from: Serack on July 15, 2011, 07:00:46 PM ---Or maybe the stones reused to make the building, are actually not in their first reusage...

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Or someone much later came along and used the super-old-language-of-awesome to inscribe wardings / protection / etc on the tower.

Just because the language is old, does not mean the writing is.

Sm0kEyNy:

--- Quote from: peregrine on July 15, 2011, 06:25:07 PM ---Not... quite.  There have been glyphs and other forms or writing that predate a written history as we understand it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_signs for example.  Since they're runes on the building, it's entirely possible that they were just symbols of warding and protection, carved by humans, but not necessarily the same thing as spoken words like we'd understand them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiahu_symbols also has similar symbols from an even earlier time period.

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Thank you! some got the point i was tryin to make in the other thread an worded it better

Sm0kEyNy:
I think the biggest mistake is everyone is takeing jims usage of prehistoric as the text book wiki definition
when its just as likely he used it meaning old an before well known recorded history. If it makes it into a book THEN its cannon woj are not in fallable till what he says actually happens in the books

AcornArmy:
The runes blocked Shagnasty, but not the Denarians, Harry, the Archive, or the normal humans. The Denarians were probably as bad in intention as Shagnasty was, and the Fallen were probably at least in Shagnasty's league of power, if not beyond. Maybe the runes only block supernatural creeps who don't have souls?

The Warden question came up again in the Pre-GS thread, too, and it was noted that while the Warden apparently had something to do with preventing Shagnasty from using the Nevernever to travel to the island, the two human-seeming people were able to do so, and they were able to bring fae creatures through with them.

Two possible explanations for this come to my mind: First, that whatever is blocking Shagnasty from using the Nevernever, fae creatures are exempt from it. Or second, that once a portal is opened, any creature can pass through, even those who would be blocked from entering on their own.

If the second explanation is true, then the same magic which empowers the runes on the cottage and the tower may be what is blocking entrance onto Demonreach from the Nevernever. The wards around the island might prevent anyone who doesn't have a soul from entering the cottage or the tower, or from even opening a portal onto Demonreach from the Nevernever. Very human-centric magic. And maybe good for Harry, defense-wise, if he decides to move out there.

Still, I think this is only one of many equally likely possibilities.

SAZ:
Another way the ruins might work is that there needs to be someone bound to the island in order for the ruins to work. In SF Harry was not yet bound to the island, therefore the Nickelheads could go into and out of the cabin and lighthouse because the ruins were dormant.

In Turn Coat Harry was bound to Demon Reach, so Demon Reach knew that Harry didn’t like the Skinkwalker and so bared its entry. Also it allowed Harry to magically shove Thomas into the cabin and the ruins didn’t prevent Thomas who is a demon possessed vamp from entering because Harry wanted to protect Thomas.

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