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The voices in my head (Series spoilers)

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Zolt:

--- Quote from: Serack on July 06, 2011, 11:24:09 AM ---Me, I'm thinking along the lines of trying to see how crowded Harry's head is, either with presences, or the footprints of presences.  One of the points of this is that if he is now dead, maybe if some of these presences were actually persistent, they can manifest to him in the spirit realm.

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Hmm, I don't know. We're talking about things that resided within Harry's subconscious, but now that Harry is dead and reduced to pure spirit, one could argue that he doesn't *have* a subconscious any more. I don't see how any such presences could persist. Take Lash for instance, she was squatting in an unused part of his brain, but Harry left said brain behind. Even if some part of her was left, I doubt she could parasite Harry's very soul.

On the other hand all the ghostly voices and apparitions that Harry experienced, these came from, well, ghosts. He's going to have his chance to meet some of those.

One big question for me is what's up with his dad: He was able to speak to Harry in a dream, does that mean he's still hanging around like Carmichael and Capt. J in Chicagotory? Or is he a regular ghost? Or did he actually move on beyond Chigagotory, but get a special dispensation to have that chat with Harry?   

For Maggie Sr, you may be on to something. She was somehow able to inscribe messages into Thomas and Harry's very souls, as well as set them up to trigger with a specific event. However these are more like recorded message, there isn't a little Maggie living in the dark corners of Harry's brain. The other two interventions that we may assume are from Maggie, the hand in Storm Front or the "hush now" in Changes, may also be recordings or some sort, the first triggered to activate when Harry is facing temptation from the Dark Side, or they may be Maggie's actual spirit, or someone/something else entirely.     


--- Quote from: Cruness on July 06, 2011, 08:20:01 PM ---Do you want to include the times his head has been effed with? Because then you might add
Mab - SMF
Molly-SMF
these might have left a strong enough impression that they could manifest

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For those, I think the opposite may be true: Just as Harry lost all the scars on his new ectoplasm body, the wounds he's received to his mind might be similarly healed. 

Ziggelly:
...Were there headaches outside of Small Favor and Turn Coat? They should probably be recorded.

AcornArmy:

--- Quote from: Serack on July 06, 2011, 11:24:09 AM ---Me, I'm thinking along the lines of trying to see how crouded Harry's head is, either with presences, or the footprints of presences.  One of the points of this is that if he is now dead, maybe if some of these presences were actually persistent, they can manifest to him in the spirit realm.

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With the unrecognized woman's voice, I think you may be onto something. The female presence in SF, the woman telling him he needed to sleep and redirecting his dreams in DM, and the last voice he heard in Changes-- I'd bet those are all the same woman. And since we already know Maggie LeFay left something of herself within both Harry and Thomas, I'm guessing it's her.

Maybe she did something weird with her soul when she died, or before she died, so it never moved on as souls are supposed to. For that matter, maybe she sold her soul to Lea in exchange for Lea's godmother-ship of Harry. I know I've argued in the past that Maggie bargained away her love, but maybe it was her soul that she bargained away instead, and the love came with it. If so, maybe she had some unusual qualifications on how Lea could use her soul once she had it, and those qualifications are why Harry sometimes seems to hear her voice(I'm just guessing that the voice belongs to his mother).

AcornArmy:
Also, not sure if this belongs here or not, but this thread is what made me think of it: do you think it's possible that in the Nevernever, Harry would be perceived by everyone, and able to interact with everything in much the same way he could when he had a body? It's called the spirit world, after all. Presumably because a lot of spirits live there. Maybe once he's there, he'll seem almost solid, almost like his old self. At least in his mind, and one's mind apparently has a strong influence on things over there.

itari:

--- Quote from: AcornArmy on July 07, 2011, 05:14:38 PM ---Also, not sure if this belongs here or not, but this thread is what made me think of it: do you think it's possible that in the Nevernever, Harry would be perceived by everyone, and able to interact with everything in much the same way he could when he had a body? It's called the spirit world, after all. Presumably because a lot of spirits live there. Maybe once he's there, he'll seem almost solid, almost like his old self. At least in his mind, and one's mind apparently has a strong influence on things over there.

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Wasn't Chicagatory in the NN, though? Agatha Hagglethorn was material in the Nevernever, so I think it's entirely possible.

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