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Origins of the Three Eye drug. (Changes spoiler)
Jefe:
I think it is worth considering (as has been proposed before), that whoever put Victor on the path of black magic, passed out the wolf belts, etc., is a person or group of persons trying to engineer situations which would put Harry into a position to leave the White Council (or get kicked out). This also goes for manipulation of the Red Court. The entire war starting incident at Bianca's can be read as a situation manipulated to force Harry into actions which would get him kicked out of / severed from the White Council.
IMO, most of the antagonists Harry has faced to directly to this point (to include the Red Court in Changes) are more than likely sock puppets for a background player who would like to see Harry unaffiliated or outright hostile to the White Council, and ready for recruitment to their cause.
Also, the bloodline curse in Changes and the heart exploder in SF killed in similar ways, but the ritual in SF was NOT a bloodline curse, it used a thaumaturgic link powered by ritual sex. I don't think it needs to be the same person teaching sells and the Red Court. If two coaches who have never met each other both grew up knowing the rules of football and watching the same games, it is not unlikely they will both draw up similar plays. So I don't know if the connection is necessarily there, other than Arianna getting nudged into action that involved Harry.
Me Grimlock King:
So basically, the whole series and everything that harry has gone up against so far, has been to try to get Harry to leave the White Council, and join "someone". I would say that sounds like overkill just to get Harry. I also think that it was overkill to set up the outrageously powerful Bloodline spell just to take out EB, but that's me.
Jefe:
--- Quote from: Me Grimlock King on June 29, 2011, 04:03:57 PM ---So basically, the whole series and everything that harry has gone up against so far, has been to try to get Harry to leave the White Council, and join "someone". I would say that sounds like overkill just to get Harry. I also think that it was overkill to set up the outrageously powerful Bloodline spell just to take out EB, but that's me.
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If that was the ONLY goal, I would agree. It is possible to work toward a larger objective (what - ?) while having a secondary or ancillary effect of having Dresden unaffiliated as opposed to just dead. Most of Harry's major conflicts are set up around him making a choice to violate a law of magic, do something "wrong", or suffer horribly and prevail against long odds (not the percentage play). Cowl certainly could have killed Harry, if at no other time than when Bob got taken during DB. The denarians have actively tried to recruit him as a strategy (as opposed to kill him outright, regardless of the possible outcomes of tactical encounters). The climax of SF (IMO) was not the big fight at the end, it was Harry's decision to fight rather than obliterate the house just before the fight. Everything in SF and FM point to an outside agency tryuing to manipulate events.
I am not saying it is only one group or individual. I am not saying their primary goal is Harry's recruitment (actually I find that unlikely). I am saying that a lot of the messes Harry has found himself lead me to believe they are not messes in and of themselves but parts of larger designs that we have not learned of yet, and that if any number of folks wanted Harry dead instead of turned, he would be dead right now. Instead it looks as though one (not the only, but one) of the goals of the string pullers is bringing Harry over to their side.
As far as Eb goes, I agree with you. That is why I think someone was manipulating Arianna to go that route, because it would surely get Harry involved. The manipulator either didn't know that Harry had Winter Knight in his pocket, didn't expect it to be his choice, or it is Mab behind it and it was an elaborate plot with one intended consequence of putting Harry in extremis so he would take up the mantle. Either way, it appears as though one goal was to get at Eb, but another goal (hence the bloodline curse and all that) was to put Harry into a position where he HAD to make a choice. Of course, there are lots of free radicals on the battlefield not affiliated (the Eebs, frex) to the alrger design which makes life that much more difficult for Harry.
wildone654:
--- Quote from: Jefe on June 29, 2011, 04:26:02 PM ---and that if any number of folks wanted Harry dead instead of turned, he would be dead right now.
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well . . . .
Jefe:
--- Quote from: wildone654 on June 29, 2011, 04:35:06 PM ---well . . . .
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Ooops. Touche. Please insert "up until the events on the last two pages of Changes" anywhere appropriate.
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