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Who told Monica Sells? (Wild speculation and possible series spoilers)
Electric MacButters:
--- Quote from: itari on June 28, 2011, 10:06:33 PM ---Hey, I made a similar thread not long ago! ;D
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Sorry about that. I did a basic word search to see if I could roll this into an existing thread, but I must have used the wrong tearms.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Electric MacButters on June 28, 2011, 10:04:30 PM ---To me Papa Raith would have gone for the kill with Harry, not try to get the ball rolling. I can see Papa teaching VS, but He would have started screaming "Kill him! Kill him! KILL HIM!!!" once Harry got involved because (click to show/hide)he believed that Harry had to die for him to feed again.
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But Lord R does not know that until he eavesdrops on harry and Thomas in the gallery in BR. He says so at the end of BR.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
You don't need to spoilertag anything more than a year old.
--- Quote from: Electric MacButters on June 28, 2011, 09:48:53 PM ---I think that the quote from SF is a cluebat. Someone (or something) is preparing Harry for the trials ahead. Someone has invested several years into training Victor Sells (my guess is 4-6 years, because Monica explicitly states that he got his magic when their son was 4, and Harry guesstimated the children to be 10-13 and about 2 years younger,) but in all that time he/she neglected to inform Victor that there was a White Council that would frown on his actions if they became public. This tells me that Victor's teacher wanted him to get caught, and may even have been the one to plant the idea of going to Dresden in Monica's head.
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I have the impression Victor was very much a dabbler until he lost his job, which is a timescale of what, a couple of months.
--- Quote ---Putting this together, we have Victor Sells, a potental mage who works for a possible White Court shell company and was taught (click to show/hide)a Red Court killing ritual normally reserved for only their most massive attacks.
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Your spoiler tag is where I disagree. I think Victor was given an unused ritual to test whether it would work, and was otherwise totally disposable.
--- Quote --- I think that Victor was actually a White Court cats paw meant to draw Harry into play on a greater game, (click to show/hide)possibly the oblivion war?
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(click to show/hide)The Oblivion War has far too much of the logic of the psychological abuser to it - particularly in having such a good internal reason for not telling anyone else about it - that, considering the only source we know Thomas has is Lara, and considering the degree of abusive manipulators that family are in general, I think it's much more likely a mindgame designed for Lara to get her brother to do killings of occasional rogue elements than anything actually real.
Don:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on June 28, 2011, 10:32:15 PM ---
Your spoiler tag is where I disagree. I think Victor was given an unused ritual to test whether it would work, and was otherwise totally disposable.
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Speaking of which, during Storm Front, Harry was totally convinced that only a human practitioner could pull of that spell. I understand that he was very young and even as of GS, he does not have perfect knowledge of everything magical, but he was sure to the extent to limit the suspect pool to human beings. We never really found out what his reasons were for believing that.
Phariah:
Jenny Sells read the Arcane and knew about Harry. not farfetched to see Monica knowing her husband is in to the mystical reading through the Arcane and seeing articles about Harry also. she than builds enough courage to seek help from him.
Victor used more than lust he used anger also. he found out emotions could aid in the charging of spells. and it was hatred that was a main factor behind the RC curse as Harry pointed out. and the Beckitts had plenty of hatred to go around.
i don't see how a WCV got one of RCV's greatest weapons. the bloodline curse. Arriana wouldn't do that unless it was because she was sharing w/ a BCouncil ally.
Victor wasn't aimed at Harry he was aimed at Marcone. Marcone was stopping the RC from expanding into the Chicago underworld. and they were in a drug war.
when Harry starts to go after Victor the WCouncil sends in Morgan. not to find a warlock but specifically was sent after Harry. and we all know Peabody was messing w/ the Council for a long time.
as of SF Papa Raith had no idea about Harry being Mag LeFae's son. neither did Lara. and Thomas can barely use a tracking spell. also Papa Raith cannot feed to replenish his own energies. so why would he waste energy showing Victor how to use magic? my bet on who taught Victor is Cowl.
Harry would never even have been brought in if Monica's sister didn't threaten to go to the police and Marcone, thus forcing Victor's hand. so he killed her and Tommy Tom.
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