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Who told Monica Sells? (Wild speculation and possible series spoilers)
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Alablast on June 29, 2011, 04:59:54 PM --- They had to sacrifice how many people, to get enough juice to kill three wizards, and maybe a few people on Susan's side of the tree?
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I think that may well have been a misjudgement on their part, considering how many it eventually turned out that it was enough power to kill. An efficient spell being used by people who did not know what they were handling.
Lash Dresden:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on June 29, 2011, 09:53:45 PM ---I think that may well have been a misjudgement on their part, considering how many it eventually turned out that it was enough power to kill. An efficient spell being used by people who did not know what they were handling.
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My thought was that it was some of this ^ and some of the fact that the Reds were just having a good time sacrificing people and so went way overboard.
Alablast:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on June 29, 2011, 09:53:45 PM ---I think that may well have been a misjudgement on their part, considering how many it eventually turned out that it was enough power to kill. An efficient spell being used by people who did not know what they were handling.
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Either way, it points to a lack of experience with the spell, which again points to the possibility they got it from somewhere else.
laura118b:
--- Quote from: Alablast on June 29, 2011, 04:59:54 PM ---
Why do we all assume the spell was the Red Court's, and that it was a prized possession they've used before? The impression I got was that the Red Court was given that spell, just like Victor Sells was, and that they were HORRIBLY BAD AT IT. They had to sacrifice how many people, to get enough juice to kill three wizards, and maybe a few people on Susan's side of the tree? Say Susan's parents and grandparents were both alive, and she had two siblings- that's twelve people; we'll say fifteen to be safe. Victor managed to kill two completely unrelated people at the same time without any sacrifices. I'm not saying that there's no problem to go from killing two unrelated people with one spell to killing fifteen related people, but to be fair Victor Sells wasn't really a wizard, but a gifted person that had learned a few tricks. The Red Court had multiple sorcerers working on the spell, had props to go along with and beef it up, and while they might have needed some sacrifices even still... I am not too impressed that the Red Court needed that much to pull it off (they were killing for hours while Dresden was on the way there). Granted, Victor had a storm to beef his spell, but they had a ley line running right underneath.
I don't think it was there spell; I think somebody as yet still unrevealed was manipulating Victor and the Red Court.
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Or ya know, they knew way more about the Blackstaff and how it interacts with it's user than we do*. Or, Eb even without the Blackstaff. I can very well see it taking a magical nuke to get at the WC wetworks man, not just a howitzer.
*Don't forget it's stolen, and the real owner wants it back.
Phariah:
--- Quote from: Alablast on June 29, 2011, 04:59:54 PM ---
Why do we all assume the spell was the Red Court's, and that it was a prized possession they've used before? The impression I got was that the Red Court was given that spell, just like Victor Sells was, and that they were HORRIBLY BAD AT IT. They had to sacrifice how many people, to get enough juice to kill three wizards, and maybe a few people on Susan's side of the tree? Say Susan's parents and grandparents were both alive, and she had two siblings- that's twelve people; we'll say fifteen to be safe. Victor managed to kill two completely unrelated people at the same time without any sacrifices. I'm not saying that there's no problem to go from killing two unrelated people with one spell to killing fifteen related people, but to be fair Victor Sells wasn't really a wizard, but a gifted person that had learned a few tricks. The Red Court had multiple sorcerers working on the spell, had props to go along with and beef it up, and while they might have needed some sacrifices even still... I am not too impressed that the Red Court needed that much to pull it off (they were killing for hours while Dresden was on the way there). Granted, Victor had a storm to beef his spell, but they had a ley line running right underneath.
I don't think it was there spell; I think somebody as yet still unrevealed was manipulating Victor and the Red Court.
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Victor used a ceremony and a storm to power a spell that killed someone across town. RC was preparing a spell that would take out someone on the otherside of the world, possibly behind wards or even in the NN. so yes the spell needed more power. most likely an increase for whatever factors added on. we don't know the exact mathmatics involved but i would say it was geared to go through anything to kill its target. so i don't think we can say they were horribly bad at it.
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