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A fresh perspective on Proven Guity (Spoilers for everything)
Serack:
Some fleshing out of what I said earlier
--- Quote from: Serack on July 11, 2011, 01:22:04 AM ---#3
Someone directed Harry's wammy reversal to detect Molly from within his web on the Theater.
In the last Fetch attack on the Theater, Harry had his web up to detect the entrance of the phages, and to detect their summoner.
--- Quote from: PG ch.25 ---...Streamers from the lure whipped out along the lines of power that constituted my detection web, brushing lightly at the entities, attracting their attention, giving them a whiff of rich sustenance.
And somewhere in the middle of all that, I felt a single, quiet, quivering pulse- A living presence that could only be the phages' summoner and beacon.
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I'm projecting here, but maybe someone with a thomatalogical (msp) link to Molly had their own little spell going, and dangled that link out in Harry's web for him to latch his lure onto. I say this, because Molly wasn't inside his web, she was at her parent's home. Maybe Mab couldn't send the Fetches to "fetch" Molly, but if another mortal sent them after her that would get the trick done.
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Harry was using the web to find the phages "beacon" under the assumption that the "beacon" was within the hotel.
--- Quote from: PG ch23 ---"Their summoner is going to draw them in," I finished, following the line of reasoning. "It's like... I could blanket the surrounding area in fog, but if they have someone on this end, the phages will have a beacon they can use to home in on the hotel."
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Up to this point, the phages showed up either in close proximity to Nelson (same bathroom as him), or next to Rosanna from her GF's makeup mirror. This time Rosanna, was in the hospital, Nelson was on his way to St. Marry's with a paranoiagasim, and Molly was at her Mom's.
So if someone is on this end of the NN veil throwing up wards and hexing lights and stuff, and this person anticipates Harry setting up a classic White Council doctrine response to a summoner of bad juju, and yet the bad juju is actually being sent, not summoned, maybe they put up a "single, quiet, quivering pulse" thaumatalogically (did I spell it right that time?) linked to Molly within the bounds of the Hotel for Harry to latch onto knowing he would be looking for it.
As to the idea of the Scarecrow not working for Mab, the following WoJ is enough to resolutely convince me that he was.
--- Quote from: jimbutcher on January 13, 2008, 12:11:45 PM ---But to correct some minor stuff: the fetches aren't even /close/ to her strongest servitors. They're her couriers, harassers, spies and occasional assassins. Captain Kudzu was a being that was deemed more-or-less sufficient on the badassometer, but nothing to write home about. The fetches main use, to Mab, isn't as battlefield thugs. She's got /plenty/ of other things for that.
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Sm0kEyNy:
ok so i reread this section again it seems to ME that the "web" is a warding spell to detect when the phages cross over from the never never and is linked to the ward candles and is simply used for Timeing a SEPERATE spell the one he is activly holding ready to cast at the beacon of fear he senses.
idk if that clear an makes sense or not but basically your dealing with two seperate spells NOT one
1 is the warding spell he already cast with playdoh an candles and requires no aditional effort
2 is the spell he is holding ready in the circle useing his own fear to create a thalmaturgic link to the summoner/beacon who is also useing fear
AcornArmy:
--- Quote from: Serack on July 11, 2011, 01:22:04 AM ---#2
If Glau was another cutout for who set Madrigal Raith up to take the fall for the Fetch attacks, and the Scarecrow took him out to silence him, then that implies that Mab was involved in that setup.
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Not necessarily. Assuming the Scarecrow was working for Mab(which I think is likely, now), all this point shows is that Mab didn't want Harry to know whatever it was that Glau might have been able to tell him. And since the fetches had just snatched Molly and taken her to Mab's Winter wonderland on the parapet, it would seem to indicate that that's where Mab wanted Harry to be. If Glau had started talking about some third party's involvement, Harry might have gotten sidetracked and not even noticed that Molly was gone until after he'd become entangled in some Black Council mess.
Serack:
--- Quote from: Sm0kEyNy on July 11, 2011, 03:08:04 AM ---ok so i reread this section again it seems to ME that the "web" is a warding spell to detect when the phages cross over from the never never and is linked to the ward candles and is simply used for Timeing a SEPERATE spell the one he is activly holding ready to cast at the beacon of fear he senses.
idk if that clear an makes sense or not but basically your dealing with two seperate spells NOT one
1 is the warding spell he already cast with playdoh an candles and requires no aditional effort
2 is the spell he is holding ready in the circle useing his own fear to create a thalmaturgic link to the summoner/beacon who is also useing fear
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your #2 uses your #1 to send the lure out to the phages for them to sense it.
--- Quote from: AcornArmy on July 11, 2011, 03:10:01 AM ---Not necessarily. Assuming the Scarecrow was working for Mab(which I think is likely, now), all this point shows is that Mab didn't want Harry to know whatever it was that Glau might have been able to tell him. And since the fetches had just snatched Molly and taken her to Mab's Winter wonderland on the parapet, it would seem to indicate that that's where Mab wanted Harry to be. If Glau had started talking about some third party's involvement, Harry might have gotten sidetracked and not even noticed that Molly was gone until after he'd become entangled in some Black Council mess.
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Quite likely. When I read the scene, I was thinking it was possible that the Scarecrow might have been sent to make sure Harry didn't end up getting transferred to the Duchess.
Serack:
I was just going to say that maybe Glau was the practitioner who was behind a lot of the stuff I am theorizing about, but I just remembered that he was the one on the computer in the Fool Moon garage.
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