The Dresden Files > DF Reference Collection
A fresh perspective on Proven Guity (Spoilers for everything)
co99p:
Wonderful OP and equally fun feedback and counterpoint - definitly worth staying up past my bed time :)
One thought on the motives for the Black Council - Why would they Not want to see the Red Court taken down a peg or two?
Nic thought they were a nuisance and a danger to his plans - even if the BC and RC were working together the RC had been, up to that point, having extrordinary success, and likely causing them to flex their muscles in any arrangement with the BC "who needs you / time to renegotiate the partnership" a sound defeat would weaken them, and restore some of the BC's leverage.
The original strike on Arctis Tor probably had multiple potential benefits, as have been listed in prior posts. Drawing the forces of Winter back to ArcT was could have been just one of them.
I suppose its also possible that the BC wasn't behind the attack and there is another group moving behind the scenes, though I really don't like mutilplying bad guys, the conspiracy theories are hard enough to keep track of!
Mab's behavior - I think its the nature of the Sidhe, especially the powerful ones, to plan long range and every act is working on 7 or 8 levels at the same time. Mab's wink ? If she can't always predict Harry, she doesn't seem to hold it against him.
And in honor of an absent Duck - a note on the Mab Rashid Connection
Molly=Mab
Gatekeeper=Time Travelling Harry
Good friends working together through the years ;D
Kettu:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 10, 2011, 02:49:20 AM ---The question would then, be, why would she not want to dispose of the trolls and goblins ?
--- End quote ---
This is the second time that you mentioned that there were dead goblins on Arctis Tor, so I just had to check, and that is indeed what Harry says (Proven Guilty, paperback pg. 357):
--- Quote ---I rose and nudged a smaller skull with my staff. "The littler ones were goblins," I said. "Foot soldiers."
--- End quote ---
But goblins are the Erlking's subjects, no? They wouldn't be defending Mab's stronghold. So, is this a clue that the Erlking was one of the attackers, or is Harry just mistaken? If Harry is right then it would explain why Erl was lurking close enough to almost catch Harry later when he's making his escape, but it doesn't explain why the returning hosts of Winter let him join them instead of attacking him. On the other hand, if Erl's goblins were in league with Mab would it also imply that Titania was involved, since Erl is the Summer King, not Winter?
Damn those faeries, it's always questions with them, and never answers.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Kettu on July 10, 2011, 09:39:37 AM ---But goblins are the Erlking's subjects, no? They wouldn't be defending Mab's stronghold. So, is this a clue that the Erlking was one of the attackers, or is Harry just mistaken?
--- End quote ---
I had not thought of that before. Good point. I thought the remains were there were all defenders, but I do not recall where I got that impression.
I think from what we see in SK that any wyldfae can be recruited by Summer or Winter if need be, so them being Winter goblins is not a problem for me. The trolls definitely are Winter, Harry gets a memory flash from one of them IIRC.
Kettu:
--- Quote from: the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh on July 10, 2011, 02:01:34 PM ---I had not thought of that before. Good point. I thought the remains were there were all defenders, but I do not recall where I got that impression.
I think from what we see in SK that any wyldfae can be recruited by Summer or Winter if need be, so them being Winter goblins is not a problem for me. The trolls definitely are Winter, Harry gets a memory flash from one of them IIRC.
--- End quote ---
Harry knows the trolls were Mab's elite guard because he remembers seeing them during the battle in SK.
On Arctis Tor the gates are broken and the bodies of the attackers are littering the field outside, the tunnel under the walls, and the part of the courtyard closest to the gates. The bones of the defenders lie in small piles here and there in the courtyard. It's not exactly clear which pile the skull Harry identifies as goblin came from, though.
Good point about the Courts recruiting wyldfae, but I still find Mab Calling the Erlking a bit odd.
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Kettu on July 10, 2011, 03:04:17 PM ---Good point about the Courts recruiting wyldfae, but I still find Mab Calling the Erlking a bit odd.
--- End quote ---
I don't think Mab called the Erking at all; I think Erl noticed the Winter host moving, figured Harry was there (Thomas can sense his presence through having been part of the Hunt, I can buy this as mutual) and was moving in independently.
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version