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[GS Spoilers] Harry's Power Ups

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Serack:

--- Quote from: rharalson on June 16, 2011, 08:32:45 PM ---I would argue that while he may have used his connection to the Outsiders when defeating HHWB, he was not aware of it (he probably just thought he got REALLY lucky or that Lea had done more to help him that she actually did, in fact I don't think he even knew, at the time, that HHWB was an Outsider). He did not learn or gain the knowledge until Lash mentioned it. As far as this goes I would say:

birth- he gained the innate ability
battle with HHWB- first unknowingly used the ability (and therefor perhaps the Outsiders became aware that he had this ability)
conversation with Lash- gained the knowledge of the ability (IIRC Lash directed his use of it at this point)
some unknown event- gains the skill of using the ability and/or fuller knowledge about it

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Ok, your saying that he gains the skill threw me off, because he has already used it effectively, but other than the demonstration of the power that Lash did, Harry hasn't had any apparent benefit from any knowledge of his power greater than what he already had without the knowledge.  However if he reacted to that knowledge by taking his head out of the sand WRT his mom and started investigating his own origins, I would say that this knowledge did some good.

rharalson:

--- Quote from: Serack on June 16, 2011, 09:55:39 PM ---Ok, your saying that he gains the skill threw me off, because he has already used it effectively, but other than the demonstration of the skill that Lash did, Harry hasn't had any apparent benefit from any knowledge of his power greater than what he already had without the knowledge.  However if he reacted to that knowledge by taking his head out of the sand WRT his mom and started investigating his own whereabouts, I would say that this knowledge did some good.

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Yes it is a semantic thing, but perhaps one with some importance, and on further thought I would like to replace 'ability' with 'talent' as defined below.

Talent =a special natural ability or aptitude: ie. a talent for drawing.  something that you are born with not learned
Skill= the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well:ie. Carpentry was one of his many skills.

From this viewpoint, Harry's magic is a talent, while his use of veils would be a skill developed from that talent.

We probably need to know more about the nature of his connection to Outsiders and what it will allow him to do to fully classify it.
Is it just a part of his nature (like an immunity to poison ivy) that requires no active, conscious participation by Harry?
Is it a talent that can yield more with study but can be accessed on an instinctive level for somethings like self defense?

I do agree that at this point he hasn't really done anything with the knowledge (or perhaps awareness is a better word) that he has this quirk of birth, IIRC he hasn't even asked Bob about it (at least not 'on screen').

Of course these thoughts may be thread drift and not relevant to the list of power-ups. Also, I haven't been on the forum long so there could already be well held theories that I'm missing that have already defined this connection to Outsiders.

Villentretenmerth:
Vadderdung - I'd lump him in with knowing Gard is an actual Valkyrie + what he saw in Monoc HQ as  knowledge/miscellanous. It is definitely a knowledge boost with very wide ramifications (helloooo old norse gods running around etc.).

Custodianship of the Swords - knowledge (via Molly's research he's learning some interesting things about the wielders) + alliance with the Knights and Church as an organization, not individual members.

That little crystal thingamajig he gave to Molly in Turn Coat to protect her and Thomas - Eb was surprised/interested that Harry "finally made that idea work" and again per Eb, the thing would've levelled the hill on the island if messed with. Skill.

Another from Turn Coat - strangulation with force+soulfire combination spell; took a hell of a lot of finesse and control, not something Harry had been known for up to that point. Skill.

Changes - combination fire / ice spell in Chicken Pizza of which Lea was most approving (she noted that very few could do a spell like that). Skill.

kazimmoinuddin:
Can at some point expose BOB to mccoy book collection, including the merlin journals, over a thousand years of magic from powerful senior council magicans. bob could translate them all, and teach harry their secrets,

Thanaeon:
It's been pointed out earlier in this thread, but the list is still missing this one:

FM - Befriended the Alphas A

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