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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2009, 12:51:14 AM »
Save vs. DM I think it's good work and your on the right track, but I'm curious if you done anthing for the templates of vams or were crearures? 
Actually, I'm working on updating all the characters in this thread.  My mastery of the system has increased greatly and I want to do new versions.  I'm hung up on a few things, but I want to start a new thread soon.

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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2009, 03:32:24 PM »
Looking forward to what you do with this. I've got this idea of trying to run a Dresden game with OD&D, and maybe I can start with your (3E) M&M notes and try to thin it out a little to be more OD&D-like.  :D
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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2009, 08:04:48 PM »
Just be careful about starting characters out first level. I'd be pretty disappointed if someone told me that we were going to play Dresdenverse style wizards and all I could do in terms of magic was Magic Missile once per day.

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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2009, 11:38:12 PM »
Well, I'd have to start them out a little above first level.  ;) In his later days, Gary started players out at 3rd level and that's probably not a bad level for intro play.

The basic concept of hit points, weapon damage, armor, saving throws, and so on, could probably be imported with little effort, except for updating a few things into modern times.

I think that DF magic could work with OD&D if the number of spells were tweaked a little and the spell list redone to fit the style of a Dresden campaign. (Sounds like a lot of work, but I'm not sure it would be.) One way to do some of this would be to make a list of spells Harry uses and which book he does them in; this would help identify the "easy" spells (early in the series) versus the "harder" spells (later in the series). It would also weed out some of the spells that are un-Dresden-like.

Just me thinking out loud....
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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2009, 11:46:42 PM »
I hate to say it, but I think that 4th ed might be a tighter fit. I think the at will/ conflict/ per day thing might work well to model some of the conflicts in the books. Harry tends to rely on a lot of the same meat and potatoes spells. When shit hits the fan, he busts out a smaller variety of more powerful effects. When shit really, well, and truly hits the fan, he busts out some of the really powerful effects. It also has the advantage of giving everyone a couple of cool things each even at starting level.

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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2009, 12:05:32 AM »
I hate to say it, but I think that 4th ed might be a tighter fit. I think the at will/ conflict/ per day thing might work well to model some of the conflicts in the books. Harry tends to rely on a lot of the same meat and potatoes spells. When shit hits the fan, he busts out a smaller variety of more powerful effects. When shit really, well, and truly hits the fan, he busts out some of the really powerful effects. It also has the advantage of giving everyone a couple of cool things each even at starting level.

This is why I love using Mutants and Masterminds.  Basically Harry has a few spells (you'll see soon, he's actually been a bear and a half to stat up correctly) in a defined magic array.  Those rare things he uses?  Those are power stunts he uses from all those hero points he gets from the countless complications he has.  The really powerful effects?  Every notice how he gets really tired after that?  He slaps the Tiring flaw on the spell to get more points out of it and really pull out a powerful bash.

And just to whet some appetites, here's the Wizard Template:

Wizard Traits (Container, Passive 3) (Power Feats: Innate)
Soul Gaze (Super-Senses 8) (Postcognition, Precognition; Flaws: Limited (Subject You Gaze), Range (Touch), Side-Effect 2 (Always - Subject Gets to Soul Gaze You); Power Feats: Perfect Recall; Descriptors: Magic, Psychic)

Enhanced Recovery (Regeneration 4) (Recovery Bonus 4 (+4 to Recover); Power Feats: Regrowth, Persistent; Descriptors: Biological, Magic)

Wizard Sight (Super-Senses 14) (Precognition (Flaw: Uncontrolled), True Sight; Flaws: Check Required (Concentration), Side-Effect (Sometimes - Psychic Scarring); Power Feats: Perfect Recall; Descriptors: Magic, Mind)

Boosted Immune System (Immunity 2) (Aging, Disease; Flaws: Limited - Half Effect)

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Perfect Recall: You can remember everything you see or experience with this power as if you had the Eidetic Memory feat, but without the need to actually make a roll to recall the information.  Anything you see or learn with a power using this feat stays with you forever, for good or ill.

Just a few notes on this.  It was actually harder to mimic the basic attributes of fully-fledged wizards than I thought, but in the end I think this works really well.  The Soul Gaze was interesting, as I almost was going to use Mind Reading, but I think that post and precognition work a lot better.  Those powers are rather symbolic anyway, so it was a nice fit.  The touch range is simply to denote that you have to be very close to your subject to use it.  The enhanced recover is interesting, as wizard's don't really heal any faster than anyone else, they just heal more reliability (the recovery bonus) and they can recover from things most people can't (Regrowth and Persistent).  Due to a quirk of the M&M rules, they probably heal faster than Harry actually does, but it's a pretty close match.

The Boosted Immune system mimics the slow aging of wizards and the fact that I've never once actually seen one of them sick (that I can remember).  Well, Harry might have been sick once or twice, but that was overwork I think.  But that's why it's limited to half effect.  Actually, the Sight was the easiest thing to mimic for me.  They just get True Sight and an uncontrolled Precognition once the sight begins to "come in."  I would model the Psychic Scarring as a Mental Stun effect at a level equal to the Power Level of the nasty thing you saw.  So minor horrors you can save against pretty easily, but things like Shagnasty are going to throw you for a loop.

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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2009, 12:50:19 AM »
Hm. Now I've got to convince the people at the LGS to pick up Wild Talents Essential Edition so I can try to stat Harry up...

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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2009, 04:11:07 AM »
Hm. Now I've got to convince the people at the LGS to pick up Wild Talents Essential Edition so I can try to stat Harry up...
Oh, that would be interesting!

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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2009, 04:49:02 AM »
Yeah. A lot of the generic build powers from WT are pretty similar conceptually to M&M. In particular, the powers get where they're going by adding exceptions and limitations to basic effects and leave the players to give descriptions to things.

My concern would be that ORE characters are pretty fragile in other implementations, so I'd be concerned that one good blast with almost any dangerous power would instantly put someone out of a fight. I'll have to track down a copy of Essential Edition and see...

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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2009, 04:49:09 AM »
Just be careful about starting characters out first level. I'd be pretty disappointed if someone told me that we were going to play Dresdenverse style wizards and all I could do in terms of magic was Magic Missile once per day.

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The warlock class works surprisingly well (especially since they later get a "craft any magic item" ability).  You have to ditch a bit of the flavor text, but whatever.  

The hellfire warlock + binder trick fits especially well for Harry.
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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2009, 12:57:18 PM »
I'm just amused that with PHB2, you can now play both a Wizard and a Warden...
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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2009, 05:21:45 PM »
I'm just amused that with PHB2, you can now play both a Wizard and a Warden...

You know, I flipped through PHB2 less than a week ago and totally failed to notice that.

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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2009, 06:18:14 PM »
I'm just amused that with PHB2, you can now play both a Wizard and a Warden...

When I read this I heard "We have both kinds of music, country and western" in my head.
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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2009, 01:11:05 AM »
The thing is, I'm not really sold on 4E.  :(  I bought a bunch of the rulebooks and really wanted to get "into" the game, but I'm just having a hard time with it. Too many rules and I guess my old braincells are not willing to grapple with them.

I guess that's why I go for more freestyle games like OD&D, FATE, and Amber Diceless....
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Re: Dresden Files - M&M Style
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2009, 03:18:36 AM »
Well...I like 4E, but its lack of out of combat stuff makes it hard for a drama focused game to run smoothly.

MNM, FATE, Hero, Tri-Stat, Savage Worlds, those are the ones I would most likely set Dresden up in.