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"Official" Perspective on Lawbreaking

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Mr. Death:

--- Quote from: Lavecki121 on May 22, 2013, 02:59:27 PM ---So Fae have souls? RCV too? They can use magic. (playing a little devils advocate here)

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I did specify that it has to do with the human soul, and free will.

Lavecki121:
Yea, but you also said magic comes from the soul. Souless creatures, therefor, would not be able to do magic.

Tedronai:
I think he's saying that human SOULS are special snowflakes, rather than merely humans in general being special snowflakes.
It's not really any less arbitrary, though.

Lavecki121:
Right. I guess its in the wording. I would see the distinction of human souls being affected by the magics that they use.

Emperor Tippy:
So which of the following violates the first law of magic (please differentiate between metaphysical violations and White Council Law violations):

1: You cast a fire evocation that burns a human to death.

2: You tie your enemy to a wooden pillar, pile wood all around him, and then light the fire with a fire evocation.

3: You tie your enemy to a wooden pillar, pile wood all around him, and then light the fire with a lighter that has been conjured.

4: You tie your enemy to a wooden pillar, pile wood all around him, and then light the fire with a torch that has been lit with a fire evocation.

5: You tie your enemy to a wooden pillar, pile wood all around him, and then light the fire with a torch that has been previously lit with a fire evocation for the purpose of providing illumination.

6: You use a fire evocation to incinerate a building that you honestly believe to be empty.

7: You tie your enemy to a wooden pillar, pile wood all around him, and then light the fire with a regular lighter.


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One is obviously a violation (both on a metaphysical level and on a WC justice level) while seven is obviously legal (on both levels). At which point though does the violation occur on both levels.

For example (Cold Days spoilers) (click to show/hide)when Dresden kills the Wild Hunt dog with magic and it then reverts to human. I would rule that no metaphysical violation occurred as he had no intent to kill a human (although the idea of mantles and it being Halloween complicates things greatly) but that a White Council violation occurred that is grounds for his head to be lopped off if the WC knew about it (he killed a human with magic).

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