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Unsolved Mysteries Version II
DragonEyes:
--- Quote from: Arjan on April 14, 2012, 01:39:51 PM ---Well biologically speaking.....
Anyone who can breed with humans and get fertile offspring is a human ;D
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So the Fae are human, as are the White Court Vamps and the Grendel scion that Harry and Gard killed?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: DragonEyes on April 14, 2012, 03:12:07 PM ---So the Fae are human, as are the White Court Vamps and the Grendel scion that Harry and Gard killed?
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Until somebody comes with another definition of what makes someone human in the dresdenverse the Shide can very well be seen as a subspecies of human.
The white council must have some sort of definition otherwise the first law is useless but I did not see it. And their definition is more a practical one. Not really a logical one. For their law it has some value. For other purposes not.
Kinckaid for example might have chosen a long time ago and he certainly can not seriously claim to be a vanilla mortal but he might see himself as human. And depending on your definition he is or he is not
Species is not really applicable in supernatural biology in the dresdenverse so we need a new definition.
DragonEyes:
That's true enough, though I'm sure each of these groups do have their own criteria for membership and the Wizards probably have tomes and tomes of writings on what constitutes humanity for First Law purposes.
romuloht:
What proof do we have that Harry's father was human? Ebenazar says he is mortal but we don't really know if he ever met Malcom. Yes, in Blood Rites he says something about Malcom having a good heart, and that would mean that he met him, but if he knew about Harry and Malcom wouldn't he have adopted Harry after Malcom died? Instead of leaving him alone to later be adopted by someone like Justin. And we can't really trust Harry's memories about his father, he was 6 years old when his father died, his memories have to be fuzzy, or they could have been tampered with. Another thing that bugs me is the knowledge that Malcom implies to have in Dead Beat about the things that were happening and what would still happen. I also found it strange that he could contact Harry in his dreams, no spirit (or is it ghost?) has this ability in the DV (as far as I know). There's also the fact that Harry could see him in the end of Dead Beat, if he can't see spirits without using his Sight, how could he see Malcom?
Veggie Lamb:
--- Quote from: romuloht on April 15, 2012, 07:06:31 PM ---What proof do we have that Harry's father was human? Ebenazar says he is mortal but we don't really know if he ever met Malcom. Yes, in Blood Rites he says something about Malcom having a good heart, and that would mean that he met him, but if he knew about Harry and Malcom wouldn't he have adopted Harry after Malcom died? Instead of leaving him alone to later be adopted by someone like Justin. And we can't really trust Harry's memories about his father, he was 6 years old when his father died, his memories have to be fuzzy, or they could have been tampered with. Another thing that bugs me is the knowledge that Malcom implies to have in Dead Beat about the things that were happening and what would still happen. I also found it strange that he could contact Harry in his dreams, no spirit (or is it ghost?) has this ability in the DV (as far as I know). There's also the fact that Harry could see him in the end of Dead Beat, if he can't see spirits without using his Sight, how could he see Malcom?
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Yes, I've been considering that someone may have fiddled with Harry's mind long before the start of everything. For I awhile I suspected Merlin would end up Harry's father ( hence all the tension there), but I'm considering the possibility that Harry might have been Maggie's special project created with a purpose. Harry isn't just an insignificant wizard. He isn't even a normal significant wizard. Harry is something special.
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