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Unsolved Mysteries Version II
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: fish321 on February 12, 2012, 04:31:16 AM ---I don't believe ive ever posted on this site before but i do lurk on it all the time and feel its time to throw a crazy, off the cuff, no facts to back it up whatsoever theory out there. Granted i have no where near the talent of ms. Ducks who seems to come up with new genius theories all the time but Ill enjoy making up an answer to this anyway. Kincaid is going to end up being the son of the erlking and....dresdens grandmother. She was captured by Erl during a hunt and held captive. She bore him a son before Eb rescued her but by then the child had already been taken away. Later Eb meets Kincaid, realizes who he is, and gives him a chance to prove himself without telling him that he knows his mother. Later kincaid kills his mother for leaving him (doesnt Eb tell Harry something like you dont know what he has done?) And Eb has hated him ever since.
Why the Erlking you ask? No reason, just seemed more interesting than saying random scary nevernever creature. Ive got nothing to back this up but it is a storyline i would enjoy so i shared.
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He's a Scion, not a changeling.
And we know that Kincaid is centuries older than Ebenezar.
fish321:
How dare you use known facts to punch holes in my whimsical theory. Eh well back to the drawing board
Oirthir:
so if Kincaid is a Scion, doesn't that make Harry a Scion as well?
"What's the point of shooting if you're just going to miss?" He smiled, made a mime-gun of his thumb and index finger, and aimed at me. His thumb fell forward and he said, "I'm as human as you are, Dresden. I'll see you later." (Blood Rites)
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Oirthir on March 20, 2012, 05:55:23 PM ---so if Kincaid is a Scion, doesn't that make Harry a Scion as well?
"What's the point of shooting if you're just going to miss?" He smiled, made a mime-gun of his thumb and index finger, and aimed at me. His thumb fell forward and he said, "I'm as human as you are, Dresden. I'll see you later." (Blood Rites)
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Oh hell no.
--- Quote ---"Just plain folk?"
"Yeah"
"Not supernatural?"
"I wish, Vanilla mortal."
"You're a liar."
"Excuse me?"
"I said you're a liar. I saw you during the fight at Wrigley, Kincaid. You fired a dozen shots, on the move and dodging bad guys the whole time."
"What's so supernatural about that?"
"In a fight, just plain folks miss sometimes. Maybe most times. You didn't miss once."
"What's the point of shooting if you're just going to miss? I'm as human as you are, Dresden. I'll see you later."
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Kincaid was insisting that he was a vanilla mortal for the entire scene, he was effectively saying "you're human and I'm human as well" when he said that.
Oirthir:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on March 20, 2012, 06:09:36 PM ---Oh hell no.
Kincaid was insisting that he was a vanilla mortal for the entire scene, he was effectively saying "you're human and I'm human as well" when he said that.
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I know it's probably soft, any theory based on any fact other than a WOJ or the word given in text from a being who is known to be unable to lie is subject to colouration as it is seen and heard through the eyes and ears of one Harry Dresden. Conversations held with other characters may similarly contain obfuscation and misdirection if not outright lies.
I take it that we read that passage entirely differently:
--- Quote --- “... You're a liar”
“Excuse me?”
“I said you're a liar. I saw you fight at Wrigley, Kincaid. You fired a dozen shots, on the move and dodging bad guys the whole time."
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This I took to mean that everything before Harry called Kincaid a liar to be false, Kincaid does not deny the lie, he redirects. When he says he's just as human as Dresden is, I take this to be the only true statement he makes in the conversation, if for no other reason than that is the way I'd do it for dramatic flair – it makes for good storytelling (plus, Kincaid is a prick, I could see him saying something like this just to say “I told you so” later). If I’m right about Kincaid's statements in Blood Rights, then: if Kincaid is a scion (which defines him as not fully human) Harry must in turn have something unnatural in his bloodline. Unless I have evidence either of Harry's family tree or a WOJ saying I'm wrong, then 2 of four possible cases for this argument are equal.
1.) Harry and Kincaid are both not fully Human {x}
2.) Harry is fully human and Kincaid is not {x}
3.) Both Harry and Kincaid are fully human
4.) Harry is not fully human, but Kincaid is
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