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Shecky:

--- Quote from: Tbora on December 12, 2010, 11:24:20 PM ---Out of curiosity how do publishers (or at least Penguin) deal with P2P networks, as the majority seem just to laugh at you for sending them a cease and desist letter ?


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A nice, BIG lawsuit tends to put an end to the laughter.

Tbora:

--- Quote from: Shecky on December 13, 2010, 01:02:56 AM ---A nice, BIG lawsuit tends to put an end to the laughter.

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I wish that was all it took, but it seems to me that they mostly blow off law suits too, hiding behind their own countries laws (as the majority are outside of the United States and are not subject to US Copyright Laws) and even if they do get sued in their own country they use mountains of paperwork to entangle the suit for several years on the more extreme examples, and when they finally do get shut down, they simply move their servers to a different country and set up shop there starting the whole rodeo over and over again. Just seems there is no way for Penguin or anyone else to put a stop to it imo, which is why I was wondering if their is an alternative action they can take that actually has a chance of success.

Shecky:

--- Quote from: Tbora on December 13, 2010, 01:11:04 AM ---I wish that was all it took, but it seems to me that they mostly blow off law suits too, hiding behind their own countries laws (as the majority are outside of the United States and are not subject to US Copyright Laws) and even if they do get sued in their own country they use mountains of paperwork to entangle the suit for several years on the more extreme examples, and when they finally do get shut down, they simply move their servers to a different country and set up shop there starting the whole rodeo over and over again. Just seems there is no way for Penguin or anyone else to put a stop to it imo, which is why I was wondering if their is an alternative action they can take that actually has a chance of success.

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If they have anything at all supported or even slightly hosted in the US, that gets sucked right up. And I have no doubt there'd be some serious code-monkey counterstrokes.

Tbora:
Thats part of the problem with P2P though, is the way they do it (as best as I understand it), the actual stuff that is being pirated is hosted on hundreds of computers world wide with that many owners. Naturally this means their are dozens of countries whose Copyright Law apply to them individually, and its impractical and for all intents in purposes impossible to stop it all technologically or legally. All the torrent sites do is keep track of what is where, being nothing more then directories that organize the chaos. If for example the Pirate Bay the Internets most popular torrent site gets taken down (which it will eventually) I have no doubt it will simply send the data to another organization who will maintain it.

Truth be told if they wanted to make it impossible to stop and strike a killing blow it could simply make the program which runs it Open Source, in which case ANYONE could take it and create clone sites. Before you know it their would be more torrent sites created then be shut down because the process of setting one up would be comparatively simple as all they would need to do is buy server space in a third world country with loose laws and upload the code to the server, buy a domain name, and presto instant site. Its a real mess and one I don't see getting solved anytime soon...

Shecky:

--- Quote from: Tbora on December 13, 2010, 01:57:46 AM ---Thats part of the problem with P2P though, is the way they do it (as best as I understand it), the actual stuff that is being pirated is hosted on hundreds of computers world wide with that many owners. Naturally this means their are dozens of countries whose Copyright Law apply to them individually, and its impractical and for all intents in purposes impossible to stop it all technologically or legally. All the torrent sites do is keep track of what is where, being nothing more then directories that organize the chaos. If for example the Pirate Bay the Internets most popular torrent site gets taken down (which it will eventually) I have no doubt it will simply send the data to another organization who will maintain it.

Truth be told if they wanted to make it impossible to stop and strike a killing blow it could simply make the program which runs it Open Source, in which case ANYONE could take it and create clone sites. Before you know it their would be more torrent sites created then be shut down because the process of setting one up would be comparatively simple as all they would need to do is buy server space in a third world country with loose laws and upload the code to the server, buy a domain name, and presto instant site. Its a real mess and one I don't see getting solved anytime soon...

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Answer: make one of your code monkeys insanely happy by telling him to go HACK THEM ALL. :D

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