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This is why the Council is Afraid of Harry Dresden (Spoilers)
wizard nelson:
explain what the energy is doing if not being held in check as potential force?
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--- Quote from: wizard nelson on March 27, 2013, 07:17:53 PM ---explain what the energy is doing if not being held in check as potential force?
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The most obvious answer is "Magic" ;) More specifically, I would say may well be held in the form of energy he uses for most of his stuff, the Life/Will magic energy that is the basis of most of it, and the core of how he pulls off Force effects specifically.
The point Im trying to make is that the rings are always described as Kinetic Energy. Potential Energy and Kinetic Energy are closely tied within the bounds of normal Physics, sure, but are far from the same thing, and even in the real world one does not completely become the other, since there is always some lost to other energy forms (heat, light, sounds, etc). Saying that his rings store Potential Energy is making an unsupported assumption on the mechanism of how they function, and is not accurate to the text. Especially since we are talking about Force effects, which bypass more than the usually amount of the natural function of the universe with "magic" since there is no natural mechanism for imparting Force on an object at a distance. It would be like assuming that it is using a Gravity effect in his Forzare spell, which we know is not the case, but mostly because we have seen him mess with gravity and know it to be a subset of Earth Magic.
wizard nelson:
Not really, your complicating the issue and trying to use a physics term for potential kinetic energy that doesn't apply. That the energy is released, let go, when the rings are used show that the energy is potent. Held in check by the enchantment and simply released, like a spring. Why would he take raw kinetics, punching a bag turn it into magic to store it and then back to kinetics to use it? your explanations don't make sense.
--- Quote ---It would be like assuming that it is using a Gravity effect in his Forzare spell, which we know is not the case,
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And yet you assume that descriptions in physics in a world without magic is applied to magical descriptions in a world were physics and magic mesh?
--- Quote --- Saying that his rings store Potential Energy is making an unsupported assumption on the mechanism of how they function
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They actually hold back a bit of energy everytime he moves his arm. Meaning his arm is moving with slightly more resistance as the ring holds back potential force.
chrnno:
I would say clearly it is time manipulation, the rings are just pushing the energy a second ahead so that it in effect doesn't exist in the here and now while being perfectly stored. Since space and time are related when released they always do so in the manner they were created to do without problem to where it came from.
Or I guess if you want to be closer to the books then he is simply doing what he does every time he describes either using the power of a storm or redirecting heat to make both ice and fire. Energy redirected, not changed, or even affected at all. Saying anything else is assuming how(ring) magic works.
wizard nelson:
--- Quote ---Energy redirected, not changed, or even affected at all. Saying anything else is assuming how magic works.
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??? that is how magic works? He either forms it directly from his willpower/charge or he slurps in raw magic and creates his spell. Redirection is easier but thats not what he does usually. Otherwise a gout of fire would create an area of cold as heat is displaced. Redirection is what he did in changes tearing the heat from those vampires and casting it at the next. :o I think your making wrong assumptions about how magic works?
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