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Policy Changes: How do you feel?
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: paynesgrey on June 22, 2010, 12:29:08 AM ---One of the reasons for the public warnings is we're trying to make sure everyone understands the new standards of decorum. Say Mickey PM's me because I'm being a big too vulgar, asks me to please not use my peers so familiar... I might ammend my behavior but others will keep doing it until they each get their own PM on the issue. That's a lot of PM's. But if Mickey comes over and roasts my ass, Prisc kicks dirt on it, Ashton makes me eat it, then everybody gets that calling someone a (click to show/hide)something really, really, narsty, use your imgination is a big old No Go.
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It seems to me that if a thread is locked in the latter case, with a fairly severe warning as the last post in it, it doesn't leave any immediately obvious way to say "Message received" and/or apologise if one has crossed a line in error.
Warden John Marcone:
I think a good rule of thumb is to remember that the "Report" button is your friend. If three threads have equal heat and only one is hosed down, most cases it's because nobody reported the other two.
Shecky:
--- Quote from: neurovore on June 22, 2010, 04:13:45 PM ---It seems to me that if a thread is locked in the latter case, with a fairly severe warning as the last post in it, it doesn't leave any immediately obvious way to say "Message received" and/or apologise if one has crossed a line in error.
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PMs suffice. In fact, in the case of a thread that's gotten so toxic that it needs to be shut down, PMs are BETTER than open-forum apologies/acknowledgements; allowing anyone to reply at that point, when emotions are highest, is tantamount to playing with fire. Best to remove the temptation.
Enjorous:
--- Quote from: Shecky on June 22, 2010, 04:33:27 PM ---PMs suffice. In fact, in the case of a thread that's gotten so toxic that it needs to be shut down, PMs are BETTER than open-forum apologies/acknowledgements; allowing anyone to reply at that point, when emotions are highest, is tantamount to playing with fire when everyone is covered in gasoline. Best to remove the temptation.
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Fixed in my opinion.
Niccos Shadow:
--- Quote from: Shecky on June 22, 2010, 10:39:28 AM ---That's as may be. Why, then, do the rules keep getting violated when mods ask pretty please with sugar on top over and over and over again? I don't like coming down harshly on an offender. I've never liked it. It would be easier and probably more efficient just to ban the offender; the extra effort to get through to the person seems like such a waste when most offenders just wind themselves up more over the affront of being called to task for their actions. In short, the rules' enforcers following their own enforced rules to the letter rarely works. It would be simpler all around just to ban the offenders outright instead of trying extreme ways to get through to them.
Wouldn't it? Shouldn't we just follow the rules rigidly and never go above and beyond to try to supply that cosmic cold-water-in-the-face in order to persuade a person to do the right thing?
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There's nothing wrong with the cold-water-in-the-face. I mean, if someone slips up a few times over the course of thousands of posts, there's nothing wrong with a polite slap on the wrist. But if it goes to the point where an admin/mod feels the only way to get through to the offending person is by "stooping to their level", I think a ban (even a temporary one) is in order.
I like the debates, but I don't want to see them dissolve into petty bickering any more than the next person. But, at the same time, I don't want to read constant exasperated "I'm so sick of you people" posts by admins. It boils down to either the offending poster(s) that are annoying said admin(s) need to be banned, or said admin(s) are over reacting. If the former is correct then ban the offending poster(s) and let the forum be happier for it. If it's the latter, then perhaps said admin(s) require some cold-water-in-the-face as well.
In all honesty, there has been a few times in which I actually considered hitting the "report to moderator" button on admin posts to point out these things. But frankly, I thought it might cause more problems than it solved. Not because I doubted the validity of my claim, but because the temperament of the post left me expecting a response of "don't like how things are done, leave".
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