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Re: DISPROVE THIS
« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2010, 08:10:17 PM »
power corrupts.  absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This is one of these things people in power like you to believe, as a way of stopping you having faith in anyoen trying to replace them for good ends.

Power attracts the corruptible.
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« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2010, 08:27:23 PM »
So if Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
What about somebeing who has the absolute power over all of creation?

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« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2010, 08:28:37 PM »
So if Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
What about somebeing who has the absolute power over all of creation?

..that discussion seems likely to lead touchy places faster than we would like.
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« Reply #63 on: June 01, 2010, 08:30:50 PM »
I'm just following the saying to it's logical conclusion.

It also means that Superman must be the most evil person in the world, much more evil than even Lex Luthor.

On a different note.  Jim seems to prefer the Spiderman version of that saying.
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« Reply #64 on: June 01, 2010, 08:31:13 PM »
So if Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
What about somebeing who has the absolute power over all of creation?

They essentially have a new, infinite set of legos.

Legos didn't corrupt me.

But I did make a hat out of them.


That being said, power is more corruptible, because the temptation is there to change everything into one's own image.  Since no one is perfect, especially people who try to get absolute power, this often makes society worse.

That doesn't mean that power HAS to corrupt, though.
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Re: DISPROVE THIS
« Reply #65 on: June 01, 2010, 08:35:10 PM »
Yes.


well, sir or madam, or like neuro singular they, I'd say you are atypical of the human experience.  Behavior such as what I described and you agreed to is generally considered unstable and "wrong", especially if you're applying it to human beings or non insectoid life (people don't seem to care about insects being harmed or killed cause theyre icky).   Just a thought lol  ;D
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« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2010, 08:38:15 PM »
So if Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
What about somebeing who has the absolute power over all of creation?

you missed my caveat that it applies to mortals.    Theoretical (or actual depending on your flavor and not something we need to discuss lest we be severely reprimanded by the big scary guy who shall not be named lest we invoke his snarky interwebby wrath), absolutely powerful beings are generally considered perfect, or at the very least MORE PERFECT than humans, and thus better able to wield power. ;)
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Re: DISPROVE THIS
« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2010, 08:46:09 PM »
This is one of these things people in power like you to believe, as a way of stopping you having faith in anyoen trying to replace them for good ends.

Power attracts the corruptible.

No, from what I've seen it pretty much holds true more or less.  Some people seem to be less corrupted by the power, but eventually everyone uses it for a selfish end at least once and generally much more than that.

Its not a lie anyone in power has told me and I've bought hook line and sinker, though the phrasing I used mirrors a famous quote for ease of recognition.   Its something I've observed from careful study (poli sci/philosphy/history/and english are my areas of focus. ).   Don't give someone power if you don't expect them to use it for their own ends at least once.  Its a foregone conclusion for anyone who is not perfect IE a pure human being.
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Re: DISPROVE THIS
« Reply #68 on: June 01, 2010, 08:49:35 PM »
I'm just following the saying to it's logical conclusion.

It also means that Superman must be the most evil person in the world, much more evil than even Lex Luthor.

On a different note.  Jim seems to prefer the Spiderman version of that saying.
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Funny thing about superman:  he's a fictional comic book character not a real person  lol ;) 

And you'll notice that lots of people in spideys new york have great power, some even more than spidey himself.  Most all of them use that power for their own ends because they've been corrupted by it (doc oc, lizard man to name a few).   Heck even spidey falls prey to the heady brew of too much power with the venom symbiote and GIVES IT UP to return to normal ;)
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« Reply #69 on: June 02, 2010, 12:02:29 AM »

On a different note.  Jim seems to prefer the Spiderman version of that saying.
With Great Power comes Great Responsibility.


I almost thought you were going to use the other Spiderman/Scarlet Spider saying:
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Re: DISPROVE THIS
« Reply #70 on: June 02, 2010, 12:30:22 AM »
I almost thought you were going to use the other Spiderman/Scarlet Spider saying:
That which doesn't kill me still hurts.

That is Harry's personal saying.
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« Reply #71 on: June 02, 2010, 12:34:08 AM »
I almost thought you were going to use the other Spiderman/Scarlet Spider saying:
That which doesn't kill me still hurts.

I have a better version

That which does not kill me, makes me stronger, or maims me for life.

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Re: DISPROVE THIS
« Reply #72 on: June 02, 2010, 12:49:03 AM »
I have a better version

That which does not kill me, makes me stronger, or maims me for life.

Another one would be something like: "The old Parker Dresden luck running true to form."
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Re: DISPROVE THIS
« Reply #73 on: June 02, 2010, 01:47:55 AM »
It also means that Superman must be the most evil person in the world, much more evil than even Lex Luthor.

You may want to read Superman: Red Son; Superman in that is not evil by my lights, but I would be interested in your take on it.  (The ending, I must admit, does not work for me.)
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Re: DISPROVE THIS
« Reply #74 on: June 02, 2010, 04:53:13 AM »

well, sir or madam, or like neuro singular they, I'd say you are atypical of the human experience. 

I wouldn't. People enjoy destruction. They love walking in fresh snow, sitting in new cars, biting into whole apples, because the supposed untaintedness, the wholeness give them a little warm fuzzy feeling to know that they have the privilege of destroying it.

What child doesn't love winning?

Who never uses whatsoever power they have to get what they want?

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