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Shecky:
--- Quote from: Elaikases on June 25, 2010, 12:58:39 PM ---Best spoof post yet.
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*sadface* But... but... but I've been told this one has its supporters:
http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,9476.msg338294.html#msg338294
--- Quote ---The vord will be destroyed by persuasive subprime-mortgage lenders and fly-by-night stockbrokers. All that remains of them will be a few sad-looking ones slumping against Aleran walls holding up signs: "WILL SWARM FOR FOOD."
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Ms Duck:
--- Quote from: Landing on June 25, 2010, 12:14:53 AM ---No we don't, the word of jim that talked about this only said he did a rite of ascension to get to where he is. It never said he was a human before. it might turn out that he was human but it isn't proven at this point yet.
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Im calling 'shenanigans' on this one; the quote from JB came out from the question of what would have happened to cowl had he succeded in casting the ascension ritual; the implication of ' he would have become a god, just like the erlking did. How do you think the erlking bacame that way in the first place?'
seems fairly clear to me that the erlking was hum,an at one point.
as he appears very not human now, it is allso obvious to me that his appearance or nature changed via the ritual or what happens afterward. Or conversely, he changed his appearance to suit.
futhermore, Mab can change her appearance at will,and has done sop in the books; why cant erl?
as to the next objection, it allso seems clear to me that such rituals require human sacrifice. Of the three we have seen so far, all three would have drawn their power from large scale human death. To assume Mab was a little fairy who went around sacrificing lots and lots and lots of other little fairies seems unlikely when Kemmler started world war 1 to jump start his ritual.
and having Molly dropped at the later part of the ice age actually makes some sense- she did the ritual to become Mab to restore balance to the world, thus saving it.
and not to get into TT subjects like global warming, but look up snowball earth. its rather fascinating. You used to be able to ski from the north pole to the south without much problem.
PS: Ducks dont care about the names of water bodies. We just crap in them.
Ms Duck:
cross post from the belts thread:
"if the erlking has prescience, why not?
"I mean, sure, the Erlking is a peer of Mab's--but there's kind of a reason that it's /Mab/ who rules the Worst of the Worst in Faerie, and not the Erlking.
All of which doesn't even TOUCH on the way power is actually balanced in Faerie, because neither Mab nor the Erlking would attempt such a thing, or /consider/ attempting such a thing. It would upset the natural order. Conflicts between most of the Fae powers are very subtle, and generally involve proxies, pride, sex or all of the above."-JB
so Erl knows Harry will be important to Mab later, knows she has a very personal interest in him (cough MollyisMab couhccough sorry duck in my throat), and decides to subtly try and take him out.
Its a lot easier in chess if you can see which pawn will become the queen and shoot it before the game begins."
the neurovore of Zur-En-Aargh:
--- Quote from: Ms. Duck on June 25, 2010, 02:43:44 PM ---Im calling 'shenanigans' on this one; the quote from JB came out from the question of what would have happened to cowl had he succeded in casting the ascension ritual; the implication of ' he would have become a god, just like the erlking did. How do you think the erlking bacame that way in the first place?'
seems fairly clear to me that the erlking was hum,an at one point.
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But we've also been given the example of the hags in WttJ, who are not human, aiming to pull off an ascension rite, so we know that one does not have to be human to carry one out.
It seems clear to me that Jim's comment there falls under the "at least as tricksy as Mab" category.
Landing:
--- Quote from: Ms. Duck on June 25, 2010, 02:43:44 PM ---Im calling 'shenanigans' on this one; the quote from JB came out from the question of what would have happened to cowl had he succeded in casting the ascension ritual; the implication of ' he would have become a god, just like the erlking did. How do you think the erlking bacame that way in the first place?'
seems fairly clear to me that the erlking was hum,an at one point.
as he appears very not human now, it is allso obvious to me that his appearance or nature changed via the ritual or what happens afterward. Or conversely, he changed his appearance to suit.
futhermore, Mab can change her appearance at will,and has done sop in the books; why cant erl?
as to the next objection, it allso seems clear to me that such rituals require human sacrifice. Of the three we have seen so far, all three would have drawn their power from large scale human death. To assume Mab was a little fairy who went around sacrificing lots and lots and lots of other little fairies seems unlikely when Kemmler started world war 1 to jump start his ritual.
and having Molly dropped at the later part of the ice age actually makes some sense- she did the ritual to become Mab to restore balance to the world, thus saving it.
and not to get into TT subjects like global warming, but look up snowball earth. its rather fascinating. You used to be able to ski from the north pole to the south without much problem.
PS: Ducks dont care about the names of water bodies. We just crap in them.
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Unless Jim flat out states the Erlking was once human it is only a assumption and should be presented as such. You can be sure that he was human as you like and base your speculation of this fact but you need to make sure people understand that it is only your speculation. People around here count on others to present the facts accurately when they are saying that have word of Jim on something since what he has commented on is scattered all over the internet. It is too easy for things to take on a life of their own and be commonly known "fact" even if they are not true with the way we trust each other around here. That is why it is so important that we present the information we receive from Jim as accurately as possible and not confuse the situation with our own assumptions and interpretations.
I myself think it is most likely that the Erlking was once a human or at least a changeling, mostly do to that almost un-fae like way he behaved in Changes. But since the facts of the matter are not established as of yet I have to be sure I let people know this is only what I believe not fact.
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