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A few questions on Lawbreaker

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Walker_Blade:
these were just a couple of questions that I came up with while rereading the series.

In grave Peril Harry summons a large number of ghosts/specters into existence and directs them at Bianca to kill her.  How is this different from corpstaker's spectral soldiers and how does it not earn him a lawbreaker stunt?

and a more general question:  do you get lawbreaker if you use magic to guarantee that someone will be killed but not actually kill them with the magic? (binding someone into paralysis and then letting them drown or just shooting them)

Trobon:
For the first thing they actually address that in the book on page 299 of YW. The ghosts were all there already. Harry didn't summon them or bind them, he just directed them a little.

As for the other part of your question. From my personal reading the first would definitely be a violation of the First Law and I guess there's no logical reason to not include the second example if I counted the first. for some reason I feel the second would be less likely to break the rules, but as I said I have no logical reason for thinking that way. So in my opinion, and how I would rule it at my table, would be yes they would break the Law.

PirateJack:
Firstly, Harry didn't really control the ghosts to attack Bianca, he just gave them a bit of a push and let them do what they wanted from there, so I'd call it a light grey area that is at the very opposite end of the necromantic spectrum to Corpsetaker's magic (closer to Morty's ectomancy than true necromancy, I'd expect).

The second one I'd definitely call Lawbreaker on. Its your magic that is allowing the death to take place, no matter that it was a mundane method that ended it. I'd especially call it on the drowning example, since otherwise the person would likely be able to escape.

Walker_Blade:
so where is the line drawn in the use of magic in a murder?  Loyde Slate doesn't have the lawbreaker stunt, but after incapacitating Reuel (With Winter Ice) he threw him down some stairs and broke his neck.  That doesn't seem any different to me than paralyzing him with magic and slitting his throat.

Victim:
Subduing someone magically then killing them can't be a Lawbreaker because that's how Warden's operate.

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