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How to Summon and Bind an Demon
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: biff_dyskolos on April 26, 2010, 08:50:17 PM ---You know what I don't get about Binding? It's all based on Stress/Consequences and Taking Out the critter. Shouldn't Refresh cost also be a factor too? Two spirits with Superb Endurance have 4 stress and 2/2/4/6/8 consequences. But if one has a refresh cost of -5 and the other -10 the complexity of the binding is the same.
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Firstly, it's Conviction that matters, not Endurance.
Secondly, no, I don't think it should matter. Two equally strong willed demons should be equally hard to bind. Period. Now, usually, that'll equate to power somewhat, since imps are likely much lower Conviction than Major Demons.
Also, to summon a Demon you need it's True Name. Personally, I'd make that alot harder to find the higher the Demon's Refresh, since it's got more power and resources to suppress that sort of thing if it wants. And the -20 Refresh ones who want to be summoned and bound? Not a good idea to summon one of those.
iago:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 26, 2010, 09:11:05 PM ---Also, to summon a Demon you need it's True Name. Personally, I'd make that alot harder to find the higher the Demon's Refresh, since it's got more power and resources to suppress that sort of thing if it wants. And the -20 Refresh ones who want to be summoned and bound? Not a good idea to summon one of those.
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Niiiice idea, Deadman.
Biff Dyskolos:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 26, 2010, 09:11:05 PM ---Firstly, it's Conviction that matters, not Endurance.
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My mistake.
But still, a creature similar to Toot-Toot could have Superb Conviction and a creature similar to a Fetch could have less than Superb Conviction. Assuming no stunts or powers than provide additional consequences the low refresh cost guy would be harder to bind than the high refresh cost guy.
If we are only talking about a -5 or -10 cost then a True name may not be necessary. I can't recall, did Harry summoned Toot by name in Storm Front?
Biff Dyskolos:
--- Quote from: biff_dyskolos on April 26, 2010, 10:05:59 PM ---If we are only talking about a -5 or -10 cost then a True name may not be necessary.
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In cases where a True name is required, maybe the refresh cost of the creature should be added to the Complexity?
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: biff_dyskolos on April 26, 2010, 10:05:59 PM ---My mistake.
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No worries. :)
--- Quote from: biff_dyskolos on April 26, 2010, 10:05:59 PM ---But still, a creature similar to Toot-Toot could have Superb Conviction and a creature similar to a Fetch could have less than Superb Conviction. Assuming no stunts or powers than provide additional consequences the low refresh cost guy would be harder to bind than the high refresh cost guy.
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Sure, but isn't that appropriate? A strong-willed imp should be harder to bind than a weak-willed thug-like monster, right?
--- Quote from: biff_dyskolos on April 26, 2010, 10:05:59 PM ---If we are only talking about a -5 or -10 cost then a True name may not be necessary. I can't recall, did Harry summoned Toot by name in Storm Front?
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Yes, he did actually. He makes reference to what it cost him to get it, too.
--- Quote from: biff_dyskolos on April 26, 2010, 10:08:12 PM ---In cases where a True name is required, maybe the refresh cost of the creature should be added to the Complexity?
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Why? Why should a bigger, stronger, but weaker willed demon be harder to bind than an imp of enormous will? According to the books, it's pure willpower, why change that?
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