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Evocation: Control is better than Power

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luminos:

--- Quote from: Shinto_Knight on April 20, 2010, 07:37:10 AM ---so under a succesful evocation attack the total stres is equal to the shifts of power AND the block?

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Yeah.  The shifts of power you summon up determine weapon strength, and the discipline roll acts like the to hit roll of other attacks.  So if you summon 7 shifts of power, and then roll your discipline just high enough to control that power, then its like you rolled a 7 on an attack using a weapon:7.

Korwin:
Ah, I see. Magic Attack is an exception to the normal Magic rules witch are an exception to the normal rules...


--- Quote from: Shinto_Knight on April 20, 2010, 07:37:10 AM ---so under a succesful evocation attack the total stres is equal to the shifts of power AND the block?

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Power and Discipline* (after subtracting the Defense roll).
*not Block

Knave:
If it really bugs you, you could house rule that any evocation that is successfully controlled and uses Power -2 or less doesn't generate stress, provided you still have stress boxes available on your track.

Up side -> more minor spells, and your casters keep going for a bit longer.
Down side -> it's a bit fiddly

SoulCatcher78:
Conviction = weapon value.

Attack with Discipline. + dice roll = to hit

Defend with resisting skill + roll = hit or miss

If it's a hit then damage = weapon value + shift difference (on to hit vs defense) - resistance (armor/toughness/etc).

Lanodantheon:
Having a higher conviction gives you a higher base strength. Yeah, accuracy can turn a strength 2 attack into a 6 stress hit if it hits well enough, but a 6 stress base hit is still a stress 6 base.

Plus, if you take fallout as opposed to backlash you might still do something to the target and/or the environment that can let you take the target down.

Having a high Discipline and low Conviction means you're throwing pebbles at people but you might hit better, having a high Conviction and low Discipline means you are throwing a boulder but even if you don't connect you might do something.

Harry Dresden supports the magical thug approach to spellcasting. Otherwise he'd concentrate on his discipline and stop setting buildings on fire.

Plus, as previously mentioned, your defensive spells will have no chance of failing but no oomf. You +5 Discipline, +3 Conviction guy may have this Strength 3 armor/block he can easily control, but Harry's +5 Conviction, +3 Discipline gives him a shield with substance, Strength 5. Note: I do need to read up on the spellcasting rules more.

But, this discussion is one of the reasons my Warden Pup character, who is an evocator, keeps his Discipline and Conviction even at +5. Best of both worlds. He is subtle and he hits like a truck (which has been hell to design spells for). And he has Resilient Self-Image, so he can throw a lot of spells around every scene if he takes consequences that go away at the end of the scene. ;D
But his Lore stinks because he's the Pup. :(

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