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Some Guidelines for Thaumaturgical Shapeshifting?
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: iago on April 18, 2010, 03:00:40 PM ---Finding the hawk's nest and getting one of its feathers -- that's a scene, and a resulting single aspect that goes into the spell.
Yeah. Prep's a bitch. But it's also a story.
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And it makes such potent magic effectively an appropriate difficulty. For example, if you need the equivalent of 4 FP to turn into a Hawk, that means you're effectively doing a Complexity 13 Spell for most purposes. Becoming a wolf with Alpha style stats (and 6 Refresh worth of powers) ups that to 17. Those both sound about right, especially when you still need to tack on duration.
Maybe you should expand on that Marginalia a little. Tacking on something about allowing Tags from spellcasting to be used in lieu of Fate Points couldn't take more than half a sentence and is something some people might not otherwise think of.
JustinS:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 18, 2010, 02:45:29 PM ---
Also, could a spellcaster accept an inability to use magic for the duration of the spell instead of burning Fate Points ala p. 92 as the price of an equal or lesser number of powers? Or at least Evocation? Having a sorcerer turn into a hawk to spy on his foes, while not easy, doesn't seem like it should require 4 Fate Points (Beast Change, Wings, Diminutive Size, Claws), 1 Fate Point and not being able to use Evocation seems like it's more reasonable.
For combat shapeshifting? I couldn't agree more.
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I'd say that stacking in the no evocation would be effectivly adding in Hawk Form(human form)[+1] for a net -3. Adding in being a bird with a 7 foot wingspan, and you can drop diminitive size to get to -2 (please keep access to thamatergy in bird form if you have it, I want to see all the prep work done as a bird). Though really, for that kind of bird, I'd add back in inhuman speed and get you back to -4.
iago:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on April 18, 2010, 03:12:41 PM ---Maybe you should expand on that Marginalia a little. Tacking on something about allowing Tags from spellcasting to be used in lieu of Fate Points couldn't take more than half a sentence and is something some people might not otherwise think of.
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There's room for *maybe* two words. It's that tight of a fit. :)
EDIT: Wait! FIVE words! The parenthetical at the end now gains: "—using fate points and tags)."
Moriden:
Okay so if you want to be someone who "self buffs" yourself the suggested way would be to take True Shape shifting [–4], and Modular Abilities [-Varies], and then i guess something like traumaturgy with a biomantic specialization and a decent focus item so that something like a complexity 14 action could be cast without preparation.
But if your doing it that way you don't actually need to have the thaumaturgy or cast spells at all since the ability's you paid for already give you the ability to shape shift. i know that trans formative magic is rare in the dresdenverse but it seems kinda like any such potential character would be getting double charged, since theoretically they should be able to do it just of of the thaumatirgy powers.
just some thoughts.
iago:
--- Quote from: Moriden on April 18, 2010, 03:48:14 PM ---But if your doing it that way you don't actually need to have the thaumaturgy or cast spells at all since the ability's you paid for already give you the ability to shape shift. i know that trans formative magic is rare in the dresdenverse but it seems kinda like any such potential character would be getting double charged, since theoretically they should be able to do it just of of the thaumatirgy powers.
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Okay, then, play a guy without the Thaumaturgy powers, just the shapeshifting ones -- and show me how well he can cast every other thaumaturgy spell too.
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