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Lawbreaker Questions
KnightFerrous:
--- Quote from: Moriden on April 14, 2010, 03:51:10 AM ---Honestly i see zero reason why killing a monster with magic is different then killing a human monster with magic
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It all comes back to the main crux of the setting, Monsters have Nature, Mortals have Choice. By using magic to kill a human you are ending their choice, denying them any chance to choose to redeem themselves.
anarco_rata:
--- Quote from: Moriden on April 14, 2010, 03:51:10 AM ---Honestly i see zero reason why killing a monster with magic is different then killing a human monster with magic
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It's about the nature of mortal magic. It's supposed to come from mortal life itself, so using magic to kill a mortal goes against its purpose and nature, it perverts it, forces the natural energy to do something that's completely against what it represents.
Magic is not composed by the energy of non-mortals, so using magic against them doesn't corrupt it, and it's ok from a... theological? point of view.
I'm guessing using seelie magic against summer fae might also be considered as a sin by the summer court, for the same reasons.
KOFFEYKID:
Magic seems to be a nebulous term in the Dresden Files, bear with me:
When Harry refers to magic, he is talking about the kind that comes from life, and using it to snuff life then would be wrong.
Kemmlerian Necromancy uses the magic that comes from death, (click to show/hide)remember what Evil Bob says in Dead Beat, something along the lines of "Dead exists side by side with life inside a human", he goes on to talk about the cellular cycle, death and rebirth.
When Mavra uses magic, she doesn't take it from life.
Also, Im pretty sure that Faerie magic doesn't come from the same place as a human gets his magic, if all Humans were wiped out I dont think the magic of Faerie would diminish in any way.
What does this mean for the Lawbreaker abilities? I think it means that if you can get away with not being a human practitioner (say a white court vamp who picks up thaumaturgy and evocation), you probably wont get Lawbreakers for mucking about with Necromancy, or killing with Magic.
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: KOFFEYKID on April 14, 2010, 10:41:11 AM ---What does this mean for the Lawbreaker abilities? I think it means that if you can get away with not being a human practitioner (say a white court vamp who picks up thaumaturgy and evocation), you probably wont get Lawbreakers for mucking about with Necromancy, or killing with Magic.
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I actually agree with your general point (and would apply it to actual Fae or Black or Red Court magicians), but not your specific example, I think the White Court, being basically a symbiosis of a human and a possessing entity, are, not unlike the Denarians, more than human enough to get Lawbreaker stunts. Most of them just wouldn't care.
KOFFEYKID:
Hmm, the way I see it, is White Court Vamps are already mucking with the laws of magic when they use their instill emotion ability, thats Psychometry, and the fact that you can addict humans to it means you can make thralls with it. A White Court Virgin would probably get a Lawbreaker for killing with magic, but a White Court Vamp already lost his/her humanity when they had their first Killing Feed.
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