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Harry's Stats plus Assorted Other Stat Revisions (Small Favor through Cold Days)
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 06:50:51 PM ---Where? Is it when she cries out in pain after the Grendelkin breaks her arm and is then defenseless for the rest of that story? Or is it when she's clearly in too much pain to do much when her guts are hanging out?
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When she's actually fighting? Yeah, she can feel it, but it doesn't seem to actually impair her. Damage impairs her (like an inability to use a broken arm effectively), but pain? Not so much. Again, see Even Hand for examples.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 06:50:51 PM ---I haven't, so fair enough. I posit, though, that the axe in Heorot was not the same axe as the one in Even Hand, since she loses that first axe.
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Very possible. I'm...not sure how this is a criticism (given it's a current, ie: post-Heorot build), but very possible.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 06:50:51 PM ---I don't think she knew at all that it was immune--you'd think during that whole information session thing before the fight, she might have mentioned that to Harry.
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Immune to her magic and immune to Harry's are different things, she could easily know the first but assume it had to do with them being related and not realize it'd apply to Harry as well.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 06:50:51 PM ---Also, why does Harry then speculate that the axe, as an enchanted and runic weapon, is specifically what the Grendelkin's catch might be? She wounds it so it's clearly bleeding--meaning that she must have done a solid 14 shifts of damage if it wasn't a catch to it. So either she rolled as high as she possibly could while the Grendelkin rolled low, or it did indeed have an effect on its own Toughness power. And, again, the axe used there was not the same axe as in Even Hand.
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The axe might easily be it's Catch. That doesn't mean it's mechanically magical or an Enchanted Item, though, just that she prepped it properly to be the Grendelkin's Catch.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 06:50:51 PM ---They recover that quickly after treatment. Remember that Harry first finds her while she's still treating herself, and getting her out of the house only aggravates her injury--she probably didn't start healing at all until she got to the Carpenters and had her wound sealed up. By the next day or so, she's on her feet. Remember that a "scene" is a fluid thing--it could mean an hour, but it could also mean the next day.
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Uh...Inhuman or better Recovery definitionally needs no such treatment to begin healing, which throws all that out the damn window, timeline-wise. But maybe I'll throw that in as her Catch and up her back to Supernatural. That would make some sense, I suppose...
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 06:50:51 PM ---Where are you getting this from? We don't really see anything regenerating right in the middle of a fight like that, short of the Uber Ghouls, which are noted as being an exception for being able to do that, and the White King, who's also supposed to be somewhat above and beyond normal.
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We see Ghouls do it occasionally (on the rare occasions Harry doesn't kill them outright, see the boat fight in White Night for examples)...and they're the only Supernatural Recovery baddies we run into regularly. Which is the same level of Recovery the White King is listed with, btw.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 06:50:51 PM ---Again, we only ever see Gard get wounded in such ways that she needs some kind of outside treatment--a broken arm with the bone sticking out, and her intestines spilling out, neither of which can really just regenerate.
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Which is why I'm considering adding that as her Catch, since, by the rules, no level of Recovery power needs that kind of thing.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 06:50:51 PM ---I suggest you take another look at the Sponsored Magic list. I helped to write the current version of Rune Magic, which is still -4 and does account for the lack of Evocation.
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I don't use homebrew stuff (other than relatively minimal amounts of my own) in this thread. Simpler and more generally usable that way, I think.
Deadmanwalking:
And added the above-mentioned Catch, along with a couple other minor changes.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on January 21, 2013, 07:05:13 PM ---When she's actually fighting? Yeah, she can feel it, but it doesn't seem to actually impair her. Damage impairs her (like an inability to use a broken arm effectively), but pain? Not so much. Again, see Even Hand for examples.
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That could easily be reflected by her having the No Pain, No Gain stunt in addition to her extra mild consequence. I'm not sure how it works as Inhuman Toughness, which is more of a resistance to damage in the first place.
--- Quote ---Very possible. I'm...not sure how this is a criticism (given it's a current, ie: post-Heorot build), but very possible.
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I meant it as in that's why she didn't use those enchantments during Heorot--it was a different axe, with different enchantments.
--- Quote ---Immune to her magic and immune to Harry's are different things, she could easily know the first but assume it had to do with them being related and not realize it'd apply to Harry as well.
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Eh. Harry speculates that it's the exact opposite, I'm more inclined to believe him. If Gard thought it was immune to any magic, again, I think that's something she would have mentioned to Harry when he convinces her to tell him what's going on.
--- Quote ---Uh...Inhuman or better Recovery definitionally needs no such treatment to begin healing, which throws all that out the damn window, timeline-wise. But maybe I'll throw that in as her Catch and up her back to Supernatural. That would make some sense, I suppose...
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I'll have to check the rulebook again--but I'm inclined to say that the wounds aren't going to heal if they're not able to heal. A bone sticking out of skin has to be set right; intestines aren't going to pull themselves back in. That only makes sense.
--- Quote ---We see Ghouls do it occasionally (on the rare occasions Harry doesn't kill them outright, see the boat fight in White Night for examples)...and they're the only Supernatural Recovery baddies we run into regularly. Which is the same level of Recovery the White King is listed with, btw.
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Ghouls are, again, typically seen as exceptional in how they can heal, or at least that's how I read it. I'll give you the White King, though there are ways I've come up with that his feeding dependency and emotion eating let him dodge or tank those attacks and the healing was just flavor.
--- Quote ---I don't use homebrew stuff (other than relatively minimal amounts of my own) in this thread. Simpler and more generally usable that way, I think.
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Chopping two refresh off of a canon power isn't "minimal." There's no write-up for Rune Magic, so you can't really say that evocation has any part in why it's priced that way, because you don't know why it's priced that way.
Deadmanwalking:
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 07:16:40 PM ---That could easily be reflected by her having the No Pain, No Gain stunt in addition to her extra mild consequence. I'm not sure how it works as Inhuman Toughness, which is more of a resistance to damage in the first place.
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I think Inhuman Toughness is a better fit for what we see her do and survive.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 07:16:40 PM ---I meant it as in that's why she didn't use those enchantments during Heorot--it was a different axe, with different enchantments.
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Very possibly.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 07:16:40 PM ---Eh. Harry speculates that it's the exact opposite, I'm more inclined to believe him. If Gard thought it was immune to any magic, again, I think that's something she would have mentioned to Harry when he convinces her to tell him what's going on.
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It's possible she didn't know until she tried magic on it and failed, or that her axe was offensive magic and it worked. Or a lot of other things, it's not really that relevant to her capabilities, though, so probably not worth discussing.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 07:16:40 PM ---I'll have to check the rulebook again--but I'm inclined to say that the wounds aren't going to heal if they're not able to heal. A bone sticking out of skin has to be set right; intestines aren't going to pull themselves back in. That only makes sense.
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Most supernaturals can just pop the bone back in or pile the guts back in casually and heal fine, seems to be the theme. Her needing actual medical attention is an exception, not the rule, for those with impossible recovery speeds.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 07:16:40 PM ---Ghouls are, again, typically seen as exceptional in how they can heal, or at least that's how I read it. I'll give you the White King, though there are ways I've come up with that his feeding dependency and emotion eating let him dodge or tank those attacks and the healing was just flavor.
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They're considered exceptional because they have Supernatural Recovery. Most stuff has to make do with Inhuman.
--- Quote from: Mr. Death on January 21, 2013, 07:16:40 PM ---Chopping two refresh off of a canon power isn't "minimal." There's no write-up for Rune Magic, so you can't really say that evocation has any part in why it's priced that way, because you don't know why it's priced that way.
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It's bog-standard Sponsored Magic, man, with the same cost as every other kind, which all include Evocation. Assuming it doesn't include Evocation is the big deviation from the book. As is writing up a detailed version of it, since we have no idea how accurate that would be.
Mr. Death:
--- Quote from: Deadmanwalking on January 21, 2013, 07:31:51 PM ---I think Inhuman Toughness is a better fit for what we see her do and survive.
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Eh, I disagree.
--- Quote ---Most supernaturals can just pop the bone back in or pile the guts back in casually and heal fine, seems to be the theme. Her needing actual medical attention is an exception, not the rule, for those with impossible recovery speeds.
They're considered exceptional because they have Supernatural Recovery. Most stuff has to make do with Inhuman.
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Most supernaturals we see aren't human--it's heavily implied that Ms. Gard is/was. I think that's what makes the difference, that she's a human who got these powers put on her, rather than being a creature that was born to them.
--- Quote ---It's bog-standard Sponsored Magic, man, with the same cost as every other kind, which all include Evocation. Assuming it doesn't include Evocation is the big deviation from the book. As is writing up a detailed version of it, since we have no idea how accurate that would be.
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How can you say it's "bog-standard" with the same considerations as all the others while when there is no write-up for it? How can you say what each refresh point accounts for when there is no write up for what each refresh point--or any of them--accounts for?
If the canon version of Rune Magic--whatever it is--is worth -4 refresh, how can you possibly say that you can chop off -2 refresh while keeping its capabilities the same? Does it then cost only -1 refresh if someone with Thaumaturgy takes it?
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