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Questions Specifically for Jim, Part 3
Guardianw007:
So, having decided to de-lurk, and having lurked here enough, I know that (given the high number of "first ever posts" in this thread) it is positively an unwritten rule one must post here first. :) Thus, I begin:
Do Harry's force rings take away kinetic energy when it is transferred (Thus, when Harry punches something, slightly less force is transferred into the object), or does it work by taking a small portion of the kinetic energy from his arm and storing it in the ring (Thus Harry reaching to make a last second catch has to fight his own rings which will slow his reaction). I'm assuming the DV doesn't take the position that Isaac Newton was a punk Re: conservation of energy. Thanks.
Now to go play in the other threads.
snowbank:
--- Quote from: Shecky on May 16, 2010, 12:14:43 PM ---Except he's changed his mind since then. Currently, the space opera is on indefinite hold (just like its protagonist :D ). As of right now, Jim's done his extra short stories and is starting up with Ghost Story. There are rumblings of a fantasy project with Cam Banks, but those are unofficial (so says Cam, anyway ;D ). The EPIC epic fantasy is also in a holding pattern. Mostly, Jim's finally able to relax a little bit - the writing and publishing schedule of the past several years has been a real bear on him and his fam, and I'd be willing to bet they're all appreciating the lowered demands on his time for the moment. :)
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This is way late, but thanks for the info! ;)
Thanatos:
--- Quote from: sscout on April 15, 2010, 12:14:19 AM ---I've been editing / proofing 'for fun' since I started reading...
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I tend to be a natural at it. I mean, I still make typos myself, but your/you're, sense/since, quiet/quite and the like tend to jump out at me and disturb the flow of what I'm reading. Netspeak crap like your/ur is very annoying. As you can imagine, reading message boards or practically anything else online tends to set off that peeve on a near-constant basis. I try to control it, but I always have the urge to say something about it. Do you get that urge too? If so, how do you turn it off?
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Ok, a question for Jim. What happened to all of the Red Court infected? Was their connection strong enough to kill them? Were they cured? Did they remain as they were, meaning the next time one loses control and kills, the Red Court is reborn?
Also, as I understood it, the bloodline curse would travel up the generations, killing all direct ancestors. If Maggie had been killed, it would have taken Harry's and Susan's parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and so on. If it could jump over to siblings as well, Thomas would be in danger, who would have passed it up to the White King. Possibly Lara and the other Raith sisters could have died as well, if the curse could spread to the other siblings of a half-sibling. Suffice it to say, many would die. The trouble comes in if the curse is also able to trace it's way down bloodlines. It seems to have done that in the Red Court. Susan was sired by Bianca, sired by Ortega, sired by Arianna, sired by the Red King. Any other childe (please excuse my use of V:tM terms) of Bianca, Ortega, Arianna, or the King would die. So that takes out the first and second generation vamps, but descendants of 2nd generation vamps other than Arianna would not be in direct ancestry or the siblings of someone that was.
Red King - Arianna - Ortega - Bianca - Susan
|________N2 - G3N2 - etc.
\________N3 - G3N3 - etc.
While nobles N2 and N3 (on through Nx) would die because they were siblings to Arianna, the 3rd generation vamps of their lines are only cousins to Ortega, not siblings. Since those vamps did die, that means the curse traveled back down bloodlines from anyone it targeted, as well as up them.
The trouble with that is, if Maggie had been killed, the entire human race, and possibly all life on the planet could have died with her. Either this curse was only theoretical until now, or it can't travel up and then back down other branches, and there are still Red Court vamps around, just with no central authority.
I suppose that another possibility is that the curse's ability to trace back down lines of ancestry stops at any point that the direct ancestors are already dead. Then it would seem that Thomas was safe, because Margaret was already dead. Any other children of Ebenezer would die, but unless his mother or father were still alive, any siblings or cousins of his would be safe. However, the fact that the Red King was still around meant that every vampire of his court would die, as the curse traveled up to him and then back down every branch coming from him.
Hmm, that was much longer and more difficult to explain than I'd expected. Perhaps I can mock up a better family tree illustration if necessary.
Wizard H:
--- Quote from: Thanatos on May 29, 2010, 07:34:00 AM ---I tend to be a natural at it. I mean, I still make typos myself, but your/you're, sense/since, quiet/quite and the like tend to jump out at me and disturb the flow of what I'm reading. Netspeak crap like your/ur is very annoying. As you can imagine, reading message boards or practically anything else online tends to set off that peeve on a near-constant basis. I try to control it, but I always have the urge to say something about it. Do you get that urge too? If so, how do you turn it off?
*******
Ok, a question for Jim. What happened to all of the Red Court infected? Was their connection strong enough to kill them? Were they cured? Did they remain as they were, meaning the next time one loses control and kills, the Red Court is reborn?
Also, as I understood it, the bloodline curse would travel up the generations, killing all direct ancestors. If Maggie had been killed, it would have taken Harry's and Susan's parents, grandparents, great-grandparents and so on. If it could jump over to siblings as well, Thomas would be in danger, who would have passed it up to the White King. Possibly Lara and the other Raith sisters could have died as well, if the curse could spread to the other siblings of a half-sibling. Suffice it to say, many would die. The trouble comes in if the curse is also able to trace it's way down bloodlines. It seems to have done that in the Red Court. Susan was sired by Bianca, sired by Ortega, sired by Arianna, sired by the Red King. Any other childe (please excuse my use of V:tM terms) of Bianca, Ortega, Arianna, or the King would die. So that takes out the first and second generation vamps, but descendants of 2nd generation vamps other than Arianna would not be in direct ancestry or the siblings of someone that was.
Red King - Arianna - Ortega - Bianca - Susan
|________N2 - G3N2 - etc.
\________N3 - G3N3 - etc.
While nobles N2 and N3 (on through Nx) would die because they were siblings to Arianna, the 3rd generation vamps of their lines are only cousins to Ortega, not siblings. Since those vamps did die, that means the curse traveled back down bloodlines from anyone it targeted, as well as up them.
The trouble with that is, if Maggie had been killed, the entire human race, and possibly all life on the planet could have died with her. Either this curse was only theoretical until now, or it can't travel up and then back down other branches, and there are still Red Court vamps around, just with no central authority.
I suppose that another possibility is that the curse's ability to trace back down lines of ancestry stops at any point that the direct ancestors are already dead. Then it would seem that Thomas was safe, because Margaret was already dead. Any other children of Ebenezer would die, but unless his mother or father were still alive, any siblings or cousins of his would be safe. However, the fact that the Red King was still around meant that every vampire of his court would die, as the curse traveled up to him and then back down every branch coming from him.
Hmm, that was much longer and more difficult to explain than I'd expected. Perhaps I can mock up a better family tree illustration if necessary.
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I think the cycle o' death went more like
Susan dies, then all the vamps of her generation, her 'siblings'. Then it goes to her 'parent' Bianca and all of Bianca's 'siblings' as well wiping out that generation. Then Bianca's sire and his siblings, so on and so on, wiping out whole generations as it climbs upwards along the tree.
Thanatos:
--- Quote from: Wizard H on May 29, 2010, 08:06:03 AM ---I think the cycle o' death went more like
Susan dies, then all the vamps of her generation, her 'siblings'. Then it goes to her 'parent' Bianca and all of Bianca's 'siblings' as well wiping out that generation. Then Bianca's sire and his siblings, so on and so on, wiping out whole generations as it climbs upwards along the tree.
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Only other vamps made by Bianca would be Susan's siblings. The rest would be cousins.
Killing Susan (5th Gen) would have killed Bianca (4th Gen), had she been alive (showing that the curse can continue up the chain even if a link is missing).
All other 5th Gen vamps made by Bianca would die, since those are Susan's siblings.
Other 4th Gen vamps made by Ortega die for being Bianca's siblings. Let's call one Jose. While he dies as Bianca's sibling, any vamps made by Jose are Susan's cousins.
Other 3rd Gen vamps made by Arianna are Ortega's siblings, so they die. Call one of them Aurum. While Aurum dies, his vampiric children and grandchildren of the 4th and 5th generations are some kind of cousin to Bianca or Susan.
Other 2nd Gen vamps made by the King include all the nobles that are siblings to Arianna. The 3rd, 4th, and 5th generations coming from those other nobles are some kind of cousin to Ortega, Bianca, and Susan.
The King dies.
Now, if cousins are killed as well as siblings, that would have destroyed the whole human race if Maggie had been killed. The Reds don't care about humanity, but they'd get awful thirsty if we all died. For that matter, all other living things are cousins to humanity if you trace it back far enough (unless in the Dresdenverse, the Genesis story of each species being created separately is literal truth).
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