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Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2025, 02:59:36 AM »
...  While the idea of Harry having to clean up the mess that his evil counterpart made for the next couple of books seems cool, if it doesn't advance the series towards the BAT, what's the point? ...

I think we will see some "advance BAT:"  Jim has said that -- absent Harry being the Lone Monkeywrench -- the "bad guys" in the Mirrorverse will have advanced their plans quite a bit further than they have in the Prime'verse.

I expect we'll see things like "the White Council has already fallen" (because Harry never took down the Rampires, who had time to gather strength and strike decisively) ... but maybe Harry can learn who the traitor(s) on the council are(were), who is now operating openly as a "Wizard of the Circle?"

I expect we'll see Murphy, but one who never learned to trust Harry (and for good reason), never worked with  him as a genuine ally.  So her world has been getting darker... and Harry is part of her problem, one of the Bad Guys.  She's bitter, and hurting, and has zero trust for Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden.  And Harry -- still grieving her loss -- has to face angry distrusting embittered Karrin.

Sounds like catnip for Jim!

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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2025, 11:32:25 AM »
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I think we will see some "advance BAT:"  Jim has said that -- absent Harry being the Lone Monkeywrench -- the "bad guys" in the Mirrorverse will have advanced their plans quite a bit further than they have in the Prime'verse.

I expect we'll see things like "the White Council has already fallen" (because Harry never took down the Rampires, who had time to gather strength and strike decisively) ... but maybe Harry can learn who the traitor(s) on the council are(were), who is now operating openly as a "Wizard of the Circle?"

I expect we'll see Murphy, but one who never learned to trust Harry (and for good reason), never worked with  him as a genuine ally.  So her world has been getting darker... and Harry is part of her problem, one of the Bad Guys.  She's bitter, and hurting, and has zero trust for Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden.  And Harry -- still grieving her loss -- has to face angry distrusting embittered Karrin.

Sounds like catnip for Jim!

Maybe, but while interesting, it advances nothing! Or very little, in a lot of ways it rehashes the same story but from a different point of view...  Harry calls himself the wizard of Chicago now, he is dealing with a lot there, rather the story was about that, there are so many loose ends that have never been resolved..

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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2025, 03:29:24 PM »
... Harry calls himself the wizard of Chicago now, he is dealing with a lot there, rather the story was about that ...
That has just happened, at the end of last book!  But yes, I think we'll see some of that.  I think the upcoming book -- Twelve Months -- will have a lot of "Harry in Chicago" events.

Him and Maggie (and likely City & State wanting to look in (courtesy of someone pulling strings, to entangle Harry & slow him down)).

Harry going on "dates" with Lara, because the Winter Knight is "courting" the White Princess.

Harry interacting with his Bannermen (hundreds of whom survived).

Possibly getting back to "working for a living" -- I haven't seen the WoJ, but several folks report that Jim says Harry is out of diamonds.

Harry interacting with Chicago PD (as the last person to see Karrin Murphy alive; but also as a "person of interest" in several investigations just previous).

Maybe even Harry seeking therapy for PTSD, grief, etc.
 
(but we were speculating about the book after that (or maybe the next one after that (d'we know for sure if Wrestling comes before or after Goatees&Eyepatches?_ ... whichever, neither of them has even been begun yet!))  We'll see some "Wizard of Chicago" in the just-finished book currently enqueued for release with Penguin/Roc)
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Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2025, 09:07:20 PM »
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That has just happened, at the end of last book!  But yes, I think we'll see some of that.  I think the upcoming book -- Twelve Months -- will have a lot of "Harry in Chicago" events.

  It's more than that, it's the next phase of the story.

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(but we were speculating about the book after that (or maybe the next one after that (d'we know for sure if Wrestling comes before or after Goatees&Eyepatches?_ ... whichever, neither of them has even been begun yet!))  We'll see some "Wizard of Chicago" in the just-finished book currently enqueued for release with Penguin/Roc)

Honestly, he could do Mirrormirror in an appendex after he finishes the series..

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Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2025, 06:55:03 PM »
I've never heard of the Out Law novella, but I agree that it makes sense to dovetail with Harry's status as an outlaw of the White Council. It could be set after Twelve Months and explore some of the fallout from that. Another idea I had was it being set from the perspective of someone on the White Council like Ramirez tasked with keeping an eye on Harry and seeing how he navigates being an "out law." Carlos could keep coming up against examples of Harry using his power for good which contrasts with what he has been told/believed leading him to possibly change his mind or challenge the White Council on Harry's behalf.

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Re: Out Law, novella (?)
« Reply #20 on: Yesterday at 04:15:27 PM »
Another idea I had was it being set from the perspective of someone on the White Council like Ramirez tasked with keeping an eye on Harry and seeing how he navigates being an "out law." Carlos could keep coming up against examples of Harry using his power for good which contrasts with what he has been told/believed leading him to possibly change his mind or challenge the White Council on Harry's behalf.
Up to now, the only formats Jim has released from others perspectives are short stories and micro fictions. I'm not thinking he'd release a novella from another character's point of view.

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« Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 09:59:20 PM »
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Honestly, he could do Mirrormirror in an appendex after he finishes the series.
Honesty, I'm expecting to see a lot of clues/reveals in Mirror Mirror:  as the ripples spread down the timeline from the one Choice, everybody will react differently.  Harry will gain otherwise-impossible-to-gain insights, see the covert operators operating differently and be able to draw compare/contrast conclusions.

Obviously, Jim won't be spoiler'ing the entire rest of the series, but the potential to reveal material in legit ways (that would otherwise "need" to be concealed for in-universe reasons) is huge.

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« Reply #22 on: Today at 11:42:08 AM »
Honesty, I'm expecting to see a lot of clues/reveals in Mirror Mirror:  as the ripples spread down the timeline from the one Choice, everybody will react differently.  Harry will gain otherwise-impossible-to-gain insights, see the covert operators operating differently and be able to draw compare/contrast conclusions.

Obviously, Jim won't be spoiler'ing the entire rest of the series, but the potential to reveal material in legit ways (that would otherwise "need" to be concealed for in-universe reasons) is huge.

Or more loose ends that will never get tied..